"Contributing to society" is the biggest fucking dog whistle for just the dumbest fucking people
burger flippers at mcdonalds are contributing 100x more to society than every single finance dude ever has
people who are not actively unpleasant to be around contribute more to society than finance dudes
Exactly! What the fuck does a stock broker contribute to society??????? At all????? Especially compared to literally anyone in food service??? Makes me want to scream
"A farmer who makes two blades of grass grow where one grew before has contributed more to society than the greatest warriors and generals."
I've never seen a bank executive make me a McDouble for cheap when I'm miserable and hungry.
"Contributing to society" ≠ Doing things that actually makes the world a better place.
"Contributing to society" = Perpetrating capitalism. The size of your contribution is measured by the amount of money you get for your troubles.
Why should any man, woman, or child suffer for food, clothing, or shelter? Why? The question cannot be answered. Don't tell me that some men are too lazy to work. Suppose they are too lazy to work, what do you think of a social system that produces men too lazy to work? if a man is too lazy to work, don't treat him with contempt. Don't treat him with scorn as if you were a superior being. If there is a man who is too lazy to work, there is something the matter with him. He wasn't born right or he was perverted in this system. You could not, if you tried, keep a normal man inactive, and if you did he would go stark mad.
People aren't anti-work because they're lazy and don't want to contribute. In fact, I'd argue most anti-work people want desperately to contribute to society, but they are forced into miserable roles that chew them up and spit them out, or they end up doing "bullshit jobs" in order to get a steady paycheck and reasonable benefits and paid time off.
If OP is so alarmed at people not wanting to work, he should be asking what's wrong with work.
In fact, I’d argue most anti-work people want desperately to contribute to society,
How many great artist, inventors, environmental activist, ect has society lost out on because people were to busy trying to survive too actually contribute.
trying to survive
This is what drives me fucking insane, with all the wealth and technology we have today
why the fuck do I need to survive like I'm some fucking caveman?
Yes everyone should work and contribute to society, but there is NO fucking reason why every single person shouldn't have their baseline needs met with the amount of food, clothing, etc. we produce EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY
there's so much fucking clothes they throw that shit away! there's landfills full of the shit in Ghana!!!
There's so much fucking food we throw tons of it out at every place I've ever worked!
What the FUCK!
its such a blatantly irrational way to organize society. Can someone explain to me WHY we can't have everyone be fed and housed from a centrist/right wing angle?
I'm not asking for 1950's American settler lifestyle for all
Like literally you should be able to have a job, any FUCKING job, doing literally ANYTHING contributing to society and not have to worry about starving. You won't be some pampered glutton, but you shouldn't fucking die.
Everyone at the very least should be able to not starve or freeze to death on the streets. We have resources for this. It is a moral failing of society that needs are not provided
I honestly think it's on purpose. As long as the population is too busy trying to survive they don't have the time or energy to fight against the oppression that's keeping them impoverished.
have the time or energy to fight against the oppression that’s keeping them impoverished
having been completely dispossesed, at some point all they'll have left is dismantling oppression with lethargy and emeciated frames :thinking-about-it:
Can someone explain to me WHY we can’t have everyone be fed and housed from a centrist/right wing angle?
Turn on the news right now, they're telling you why for free. The reason is "if people have their basic needs met, no one will want to do crappy jobs that we need like burger flipper, truck driver, shelf stocker, etc." They literally feel entitled to you laboring under whatever conditions work best for them, and they will torture you to get it done if you won't sign up voluntarily.
Eugene Debs "Open Letter to the Members of the Socialist Party, May 17, 1908" also known as the "Yes, I Am My Brother's Keeper" speech.
https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/qcvjph/it_is_growing
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Seriously though this is definitely written by some privileged teenager who thinks "all those antiwork kids just haven't been in the real world" like fuck OFF
Oh shit, 785k subscribers. Chapo maxed out at like 120k. r/Antiwork has problems with landlords who think that includes them, but hell of a place to agitate right now.
I saw a commenter saying they thought the sub was just about people not wanting to work when they first found it but then they saw like two posts and realized they were in the same position as the rest of the posters
you love to see it!!
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Like /r/collapse it's a good place for a Pedagogy of the Oppressed Marxist-humanist approach. An oppressed group that sees its oppression but without a coherent critique of it, posts that directly confront them with the dehumanisation they face from their oppressors, a tangible goal toward liberation in the form of wage/benefit increases and a tangible path with the union drive and strikes. We can link the pandemic, shortages, productive relationships, and labour history together to answer the five W's.
:xi-clap: give :xi-clap: us :xi-clap: /c/collapse :xi-clap: or :xi-clap: /c/shortages :xi-clap: please :xi-clap:
This just makes me wonder what he thinks is the proper response to antiwork being the fastest growing community on reddit.
I'll venture a guess and say he doesn't think the proper response is to make working suck less
"Every society needs people to contribute"
You seem to be fine with thumb-twiddling bosses.
unpopular opinion but DAE work is good???
lmao classcuck C O P E
And before you ackchually me about how labor will still be needed under communism, that's not what this dipshit is getting mad about, he's getting mad at the idea that the underclass manufacturing and serving him his treats are starting to grumble about their conditions
do these people not value their time or something 40 hours a week is still a shitload of your life even as a well off redditor PMC
'work' is not good actually
Things need to be done for society to happen. Fully automated luxury gay space communism is not something that is possible to create at present.
Things need to be done for society to happen, but currently a lot of jobs just exist because liberals can't justify giving people money if they don't work for it, rather than because they actually fill a need. 40 hours a week is also a totally arbitrary number.
I don't disagree with you. Work as in humans doing labor is necessary, work as in like 9-5, careers and shit is arbitrary and benefits the bourgeoisie. Some people also do not create value with their job, like investors or cops
I have a coworker who worked up to 16-hour days at his last job, did a lot of overtime off the clock (for free), said it was worthwhile because they "treated him right" (let him take off a day for a death in the family) and over the 5 years he worked there he put over $100k in his 401(k).
We are blue-collar workers making well under $20 an hour.
It's always amazing how the right gets VERY collectivistic when workers say "no" to being exploited, or LGBT people just want to not get executed by the state.
"You see, these people HAVE to suffer for the good of society!"
"Wait, are you an environmentalist!? Oh? so you think rich people should just go without for the good of society!?"
I don't think the rich should go without, I think we should go without the rich
'If you can't give me a response in two sentences or less, I won't read it, because complex explanations are incomprehensible to me' is how I always view that kind of cop out garbage
society cannot function without cold-call telemarketing and futures trading. everybody needs to do their part. you there stop slacking and glue more iphones 69s together.
Love to contribute to society by being forced to serve blooming onions to boomers at Applebee's. Dn how would society function if either you couldn't get a bloomin onion or had to actually pay and treat people good for giving you one. Can you fucking imagine a world like that. Truly horrendous.
I don't think it is, antiwork is more just people complaining about modern work from a leftist perspective, I'm pretty sure the "reason" chapo got banned was a lot of :john-brown: posting and similar "calls to violence". Could be wrong tho
Chapo was banned because it had a high profile and made Reddit look bad. The "minecraft slave owners" thing was just an excuse, like the feds busting Al Capone for tax evasion. The target was on the sub's back a long time before that for being too loud, interfering with other subs, the association with the Cumtown subreddit (which also had a lot of "issues" for the reddit staff), and the Atlantic Council cracking down on the fun.
Antiwork has a much longer history as a subreddit and the culture is more typically "reddit" whereas the old CTH subreddit was something special, not quite like the rest of the site.
I doubt it, but I can see it on a similar trajectory of getting bigger and then diluting further and liberalizing more. As it stands though I skim through threads there and see lots of people with anarchist and communist flags.
They would ban it if they could find a reason, but there is none. It is (was) explicitly leftist when I joined it around 10k subs, but it´s not about explicit violence, talk about revolution or historical events. It´s about how shitty the workplace and the economic system is. It´s a very pro-union rather then pro eat the rich kind of deal. With the subs leadership being anarchist I have some hope that it goes more towards IWW type of union advocacy instead of a lib one.
