Most of us have at least heard of COINTELPRO, Iran Contra, Tuskegee Experiment but what are some others that are important to understand how these agencies run?
The one that comes to mind for me is in the :ukkk: they created fake love interests with activists and had children with them. I’m not sure if that one has a name yet.
The one that comes to mind for me is in the :ukkk: they created fake love interests with activists and had children with them. I’m not sure if that one has a name yet.
Spycops is a strong contender. One of the victims runs a website abt it: https://www.spycops.co.uk/
How am I meant to trust anything or anyone? I literally can't after reading shit like this.
Yeah, welp, there are no easy answers here, but resisting unhealthy/debilitating paranoia is also part of the fight. That website has a section about it, here's a small snippet:
The spycops scandal has taught us the degree to which the state will go to get inside a group. But the scandal has also taught us the limitations of the police. We must remember, that for all the undercover officers there were, they were still only a small fraction of our number, and the grim reality is that there were far more informers than there were police among us.
To think the converse is paranoia. Seeing spycops all around us, pointing fingers and mistrusting everyone. This is neither security nor movement-building. Too often it is simply a way of seeking control over a situation, or a cover for personal agendas, or simply a mistrust of anyone who does not completely fit the mould.
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Too often we assume the risk to us in only the most general terms, or that the likes of police or other agencies see the world with a broad, monolithic agenda. The reality is often very different and we assume too much or in the wrong direction. One lesson from spycops is to give us much clearer insight to how the state approaches protests – let’s make the most of the opportunity!
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Central to this is building up effective networks of trust. Though don’t forget that trust needs to go both ways: you also have to be open to helping people trust in you, even if that is sometimes uncomfortable. Processes of security and trust work best when they are open and everyone is treated the same, when there is consensus around what they mean and a collective agreement to abide by the ground-rules. However, we have to be clear about what these ground-rules are as too often such things are left unspoken.its under "resistance and resilience" subsection: https://www.spycops.co.uk/issues/#
there's a whole manual, in a pdf format, somewhere on that website. i remember it being quite detailed. but still yea sorta vague, out of caution, i think, to not give the reader too much paranoia or too specific advice since situations differ
If you're going to join a RL communist or even socialist organization, be very suspicious because it's basically the job of intelligence agencies to infiltrate them and make sure they can't make any real change.
Just kinda accept it could be a thing but also you probably aren't important enough for something like that. If you become important get paranoid as fuck, those are the ones who survive and win.
They put out a document on how to figure out if someone might be a spy cop, but keep their caveats in mind.
Yeah same unfortunately. But the chances of this happening still are very low, especially if we get to the point that revolutionary ideas are mainstream. There will be a lot more of us than informants.
It's getting there that sucks though.
Depends on the person I grew up with. I'd be worried they were trying to get a plea deal for some shit I didn't know about
Yeah if you've lost contact for a long period of time you never know what could have happened.
Nah I think you just trust people who have the most consistently positive organizational impact (I assume, disclaimer: I don't know anything!). I feel like informants or at least cops are going to probably not be the people who contribute the most to an organization, because their entire job is to undermine it. Of course some people might be playing the long con, but it just seems like it would be hard for someone to be enthusiastic about something they hate. Of course that doesn't mean that someone who isn't the second coming of Lenin is a fed. I doubt there's any magic bullet to this stuff.
This might be the most unethical and evil thing in this thread.
The existence of the "South African institute of maritime research", basically an apartheid version of the CIA, whose existence was only confirmed in 1998 during the TRC hearings, who did clandestine operations throughout Africa in an attempt to hold up white supremacy. Also heavily involved in the attempted weaponisation of HIV/AIDS. There is only one recorded photograph of its leader, Keith Maxwell, basically a South African :epstein: who was also heavily involved in intelligence and military ops. He apparently wore his navy whites everywhere he went, and members meeting with him had to be in full uniform. They also recuited teenage girls to join the organisation. One of whom was murdered after she was apparently going to testify, after visiting the center of operations in Mozambique, where they attempted to weaponise HIV/AIDS
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/27/south-african-intelligence-officers-spread-aids-black-communities
Well Maxwell is dead, but yeah you're right. The head of the chemical weapons program still works as a cardiologist in Cape Town. Useful information for fellow Minecraft players...
Maybe not exactly an op, but operation legacy where the British destroyed thousands of documents from their colonies.
:ukkk:
This was happening up until the late 70s btw. Just shows how many documents like this existed
Project Coast, the development of chemical and biological weapons by apartheid South Africa
The South African program differed in its aims from the CBW programmes of many countries in that a major focus of the program was to develop non-lethal agents to help suppress internal dissent. This led to the investigation of unusual non-lethal agents, including illicit recreational drugs such as phencyclidine, MDMA, methaqualone and cocaine, as well as medicinal drugs such as diazepam, midazolam, ketamine, suxamethonium and tubocurarine, as potential incapacitating agents. According to the testimony given by Wouter Basson to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, analogues of these compounds were prepared and studied, and both methaqualone and MDMA (along with the deliriant BZ) were manufactured in large quantities and successfully weaponised into a fine dust or aerosol form that could be released over a crowd as a potential riot control agent.
Between 1944 and 1950, Manhattan Project scientists were secretly injecting terminal patients with plutonium, just to see what happens. Already terrible, but it was also the 1940s so they didn't really know if an illness was going to terminal.
This lead to them injecting Albert Stevens with a massive dose of plutonium, who was in the hospital with what turned out to be a fairly minor ulcer. Albert lived for another 20 years, the government routinely collected his urine samples, and never told him they injected him with plutonium for no reason.
These experiments are said to have stopped in 1950 after the AEC took over the Manhattan Project, the head scientist in charge of human experimentation wrote a memo to the administrators that said they should probably stop these experiments becuase it could harm the AEC's reputation, as the experiments had "a little of the Buchenwald touch".
Reminds me of products during the 50s made of random radioactive stuff so they would "glow". There's this video of a person in a factory painting watch hands with radioactive stuff, while wearing absolutely no protection, just living in the moment I guess.
operation yellowbird, they snuck out the student leaders of the tiananmen square student protests that they were funding. the ones that were caught only got about 8 years of jail and were released. they're all rich people in the US now.
this one doesn't have an operation name and i don't think it was ever declassified but it's related to mk ultra. https://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/Jonestown.html
Jim Jones was CIA and part of a CIA medical experiment. People (everyone?) at Jonestown were infected with HIV (and drugged w/ different substances) and evidence shows that they were all murdered as they tried to flee the compound.Here's an e-book written by an actual investigative journalist if anyone wants to go down that rabbit hole https://jonestown.sdsu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Was-Jonestown-a-CIA-Medical-Experiment.pdf
The ratical link is a faster read and the source citations can be clicked which is convenient. Miers, the author of the book linked above wrote a second book going into depth about the connection of AIDS to the US gov. https://www.amazon.com/Second-Holocaust-Epidemic-Created-Operation/dp/1457525038" Meiers then attempted to write a second book for the mass market, but that effort was cut short in 1996 when former CIA Director William Colby died under suspicious circumstances immediately after Meiers interviewed him. Meiers knew that anyone who got too close to this story ended with a bullet to the brain so he continued his research in private for the next 17 years while trying to live a normal, quiet life."
edit: he's not an investigate journalist by trade, but it is a work of investigative journalism. He himself painstakingly interviewed a lot of people.
Idk if 'birding' as a migration allegory goes back further than this but https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackbirding
yup, if it were written as a movie most people would find it to be unrealistic.
Check out the 2nd picture here https://www.amazon.com/Second-Holocaust-Epidemic-Created-Operation/dp/1457525038 The back of the book says a little about who he is.
Well, read anywhere that isn't the intro. Studying of the occult was a documented thing by the CIA and the Nazis back then. Who knows what they're doing now. How true it is, I don't know. I haven't looked into it but the CIA sure did spend a lot of resources on studying it. Here's an example https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf
And it's not out of place as it leads into the fact that the CIA when it was first created was made up of 50% Nazis (literally) which gives an explanation into why they do so much crazy unethical medical experiments.
death to america, they didnt even have the minimal decency to even use real vaccinations
Wtf.
:epstein: warning
The subjects of Gottlieb's experiments also included mentally handicapped children
Note how they never mention the ages of these "prostitutes" or where the CIA found them.
Now remember how :epstein:'s lawyers referred to all of his victims as "prostitutes."
:kitty-cri-screm: :shinji-screm: :screm:
Yeah it's actually extremely sickening. Epstein, Keith Maxwell, all these people, heavily involved in intelligence while doing this.
And they never faced any justice, and never will now that they're dead
Have you looked at the evidence that Ghislaine Maxwell was a mod of /r/worldnews?
Yeah I've seen it. Wouldn't be surprising, because y'know, :reddit-logo:
The CIA using the Yakuza to suppress japanese labor during the 50s. Also basically selected the prime minister.
My last contribution before I leave, the US would regularly fly an SR 71 blackbird over South Africa while they were developing nuclear weapons and test sites, to monitor their progress. There are even rumours about SA mirage fighter pilots trying to intercept them and failing obviously. And the US kept it secret from the rest of the world, how close the apartheid regime was getting to making nuclear weapons. Only after a Soviet spy informed the USSR of the situation, and the Soviet Union went to the UN as they feared a weapons test was imminent, did the USA suddenly gain a conscience and start informing others of what was going on. This was all during the late 70s btw.
Honestly the stuff that's alleged to have happened during the SA nuclear weapons program and at ARMSCOR blacksite Pelindaba, you could make a movie out of it and people would think that it's too far fetched.
It isn't really one particular thing but I'm currently reading How to Hide an Empire and I had never realized the sickening extent to which we used Puerto Rico and Puerto Ricans as chemical and medical lab rats. Birth control pills were first tested over there in unsafe dosages for eugenics reasons, heavily promoted sterilization campaigns, vaccination trial runs you couldn't do on whites, weapons testing that poisoned the soil, and even trying out chemical weapons on PR people to see if there were any race-based effects. Check this out: https://www.npr.org/2015/06/22/415194765/u-s-troops-tested-by-race-in-secret-world-war-ii-chemical-experiments
All to American people on American soil.
That’s fucked! I remember reading about The whole part of the island where bombs had been tested and will now be unusable land for centuries.
