https://www.reddit.com/r/whitecloaks/comments/rgewm2/this_means_that_wot_has_made_herstory_tvs_heir/
I really need to stop browsing WoT subs, I've been feeling liquified bits of my brain leaking out through my nose and ears for the past few days, it's like staring directly into highly-radioactive material and just feeling your body start falling apart on the molecular level.
Literally Jordan set up the idea of there being a female dragon before ge died. It us in the prequel notes he released as a teaser for the age of legends, her title was Shadow Cutter, and you even see her in the flashbacks in rhuidean.
I can't take it with fucking nerds who don't even know their nerd material.
The whole premise of the series is "Vainglorious men break the world and women pick up the pieces". Like, the Last Dragon fucked up and did a terrible job, resulting in a 3000 year long dystopia. Every man to touch the One Power since goes utterly insane and destroys everything he loves. The idea of a Dragon Reborn is absolutely terrifying for every major character in the setting, precisely because of the generational trauma inflicted in the wake of the Last Last Battle.
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Rand Al'Thor
IS the Chaos Dragon that Peterson warns against. In hindsight, his entire jungian philosophy could have easily been cribbed from WoT and reversed out.
There is also Nakomi at the very end. Not to mention that the age of legends was supposed to literally be some kind of anarchist or communist utopia
Any % no turner diaries no protocols of the elders of zion no lolita
Any % no turner diaries
Easy.
no protocols of the elders of zion
Easy.
no lolita
Literally impossible
The prose. The prose is too strong. Cannot... resist... empathising... with... protagonist...
It's a sub made by reactionaries when they found out that some of the cast for the show aren't white.
Yeah, it's an utterly deranged sub. But even the "normal" /r/wheeloftime sub has a ton of chuds whining about agendas and being censored, I think only /r/wot seems to be doing decent moderation of that shit (and /r/WoTshow seems to be going in the complete other direction of total adoration of the show).
The "Capitalism is the permission to keep what you earn" is just... I don't even see how you arrive at that, like don't capitalism apologists explicitly recognize that CEOs deserve to take all the money because of how much "work" they do, meaning that regular workers DON'T actually get to keep all they earn? Just what is even going on here.
They conflate "what u earn" with "what u are given" and don't interrogate how its determined who is given what
So the only thing that can be not keeping what u earn is taxes. Capitalism is when no taxes.
Sometimes they do interrogate how it's determined, but in a totally atomized way. As in, it's determined by you negotiating your wage, other factors don't exist.
Yeah I've been keeping tabs on that sub since it's creation and it's just so insane what will get said in that sub lol. Like at this point it's basically exclusively reactionaries that post there, but a few weeks ago it was more of a mix of people. You'd get comments like "I'm not really a fan of how they changed Character's story" and someone else would reply "It's because woke feminists have hijacked our perfect story to make every male character unlikeable and stupid and frankly I'm expecting them to have Egwene be the Dragon and peg Rand while crushing his balls under 6 inch platform heels because thats what woke fascist feminists do. Also everything is gay and the characters should all be white or something."
As you said, truly a deranged community.
I’m expecting them to have Egwene be the Dragon and peg Rand while crushing his balls under 6 inch platform heels
:panting:
“It’s because woke feminists have hijacked our perfect story to make every male character unlikeable and stupid and frankly I’m expecting them to have Egwene be the Dragon and peg Rand while crushing his balls under 6 inch platform heels because thats what woke fascist feminists do. Also everything is gay and the characters should all be white or something.”
Honestly at this point I hope they do. The showrunners have done a really good job, and any changes they make that piss people off only make the show better, at least for me. Also at least 8 inches. Go big or go back in the box
I love how the entire thing falls apart as soon as you make them confront the whole "permission to earn a wage" bit.
Like bitch, who's giving that fucking permission and what's the alternative?
The Wheel of Time and the wheel of a man's life turn alike without pity or mercy.
Hilarious since depending on the turning it is entirely possible the Dragon Reborn can be female, and the show is basically already pretty clearly not the turning from the books.
Edit: also, the username of the chud writing it. Kelsier, from Mistborn.
A literal Proletarian revolutionary who wants to murder the nobility and is presented as pretty much utterly correct in that opinion, save a class traitor or two. Just not a shred of self-awareness.
Isn't that Brandon Sanderson? He's a Mormon right, did he write a communist fantasy novel?
Sanderson seems like one of the good Mormons. Like I wouldn't be suprised if he turned out to be a chud, but his books are pretty nuanced an compassionate.
Luke one of the main plot points of the storm light archive is that all the characters get their powers from dealing with their emotional and psychological trauma, and he handles it in a pretty compassionate way.
Plus Kelsier believes the highest calling for a person in his world is murdering noblemen.
Sanderson is alright, he's taken time to come around but he checked himself on lgbt issues and has one of the best reps of an autistic character in fiction (and deliberately makes the reader hate her before giving her an internal voice). He also has aro/ace characters.
By American standards, the folks in that thread have a nuanced, intricate view of politics
Communism is when female dragons. Stalin famously rode a hot girl dragon as it breathed fire down on Berlin. Afterwards they made sweet man-dragon love.
:shrug-outta-hecks: I can't read this shit anymore I'm going to have an aneurysm
I've already had several, I'm not sure I'm even alive at this point. Just mind-boggling takes here.
the female dragon reborn ... everthing makes sense now ...
At first glance, you feel that you'd really want to fuck that dragon, but when you think about the practical feasibility of actually doing it you quickly realize that it's just a fantasy, an utterly impossible thing to achieve
Never prod at a woman unless you must. She will kill you faster than a man and for less reason, even if she weeps over it after.
I blame Shrek for the female dragon obsession. It's led the mind wander for millions of people when it came to the donkey-dragon relationship
The more you dislike the wheel of time show, the more reactionary you are
I thought the people on that sub hated the show? Also, why is it reactionary? I’ve only seen the first two eps
Edit: sorry totally misread your comment as “like” instead of “dislike”
The people complaining are reactionaries, not the show itself. A lot of the whining is the typical "muh SJWs with their agendas" bullshit, like "they're sidelining male characters and making Egwene & Nynaeve into Mary Sues because feminism", or "they're going to have the dragon be Egwene because feminism", and "the male characters are weak & emotional because feminism", and various other bits of bullshit.
Honestly, I don't even think the show is actually great or anything, but these people are insane. Someone "logical" ought to assume that the faults are the result of classic Hollywood hackery, not the secret Amazon SJW agenda (yeah, Bezos and the other Amazon execs are TOTALLY concerned with pushing a feminist agenda, just look at them, such progressives).
making Egwene & Nynaeve into Mary Sues
Isn't that basically the source material already? Like there's this premise of "oh all the inbred hill folk from this one region are just crazy magic for some reason" and a bunch of stuff about how the main characters are all the first fReE-tHiNkiNg ViSiOnaRiEs in the past thousand years where they just intuitively discover a bunch of lost magic and revolutionize logistics and manufacturing a priori.
the male characters are weak & emotional
I remember at least two of the thousand plus page books had Randal Thor's entire arc as "he's depressed and has PTSD cause all this shit that's happening is actually really traumatizing and bad."
It's been a long time since I read the books, I don't think I read any past book ten or eleven, and I vaguely remember them as having a bunch of problematic themes and commentary to them, but it did definitely make all the female main characters basically super powered compared to any male character other than Rand and have all the male main characters actually have emotions and respond to trauma, at least in their internal monologues.
Yes, the people from Emond's Field all benefited from magic eugenics, but it's also confirmed in the books that the Aes Sedai have been gradually getting weaker, and there are two main theories given for this:
- Killing all male channelers has fucked the magic genepool
- The Aes Sedai becoming more insular and elitist over time meant they skipped over many potentially talented recruits because they didn't think they'd find anything of use in tiny villages, and refused to train women over a certain age
Having finished the series,
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Theory 2 is correct
ShowRand so far seems quite a bit less emotional than in the books, but he's also been aged up like 5 years and we don't get any internal monologues. ShowPerrin is more emotional but that's because they changed it so he accidentally axes his wife, which, yeah.
Even in that context weren't Egwene, Nynaeve, and the other girl whose name escapes me among the most powerful channelers in history, with Nynaeve in particular being on par with the likes of Lanfear and so probably being in the top single or low double digits of all channelers ever? Or am I misremembering the vague, unitless relative power rankings?
ShowPerrin is more emotional but that’s because they changed it so he accidentally axes his wife, which, yeah.
That sounds vaguely familiar, was that a recurring nightmare from the books/some prophetic vision that haunted him throughout them?
Egwene, Nynaeve, etc
Nynaeve was the most powerful of the protagonists, though IIRC weaker than Lanfear. I think Nynaeve doesn't rank in the top 10 channellers, just because there were so many more Aes Sedai in the Age of Legends that statistically there would be many more at her strength or higher. In the book time period, there are at least 2 other woman stronger than Nynaeve IIRC: some 70-year-old woman who got recruited in Salidar and a former damane. I think some of the sea people were supposed to be similarly strong as well. As you point out, the power rankings are mostly irrelevant; I think there's a number system on the wiki but it's never mentioned in-universe.
The other girl you're thinking of might be Elayne, who was pretty strong and shown to be able to develop new weaves better than almost anyone.
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Note also a lot of the "new weaves" that Nynaeve and Egwene took credit for were actually extracted from Moghedian via torture.
Perrin killing his wife
Nah, it's a replacement of when he axes the Whitecloaks in the first book and then vows to never pick up the axe again.
As you point out, the power rankings are mostly irrelevant
It's kind of like power levels in Dragonball, except instead of just like standing there screaming for a hundred pages straight to power up they're just like "aha, this random cowbell I found is actually a ten thousand year old magical crazy straw that allows me to triple my raw power when I drink magic through it!" (ok so it's usually a ring or statuette or something, but the point stands).
The other girl you’re thinking of might be Elayne,
That sounds right. It's been like oh fuck 18 years or so since I read any of the books, so the names are all a bit foggy even though I remember a lot of the worldbuilding and the broad strokes of the plot.
I remember at least two of the thousand plus page books had Randal Thor’s entire arc as “he’s depressed and has PTSD cause all this shit that’s happening is actually really traumatizing and bad.”
I mean, Rand goes through some shit. Chronic and sever mental illness for a few books. Then he's betrayed, several of his friends are killed, and he's viciously tortured for months on end.
"Why is Rand such a pussy?" is such a nakedly reactionary take, you really are telling on yourself by making it.
I mean, Rand goes through some shit.
That's what I said. The point was that his entire story there, in all of the like three chapters he got out of 2000+ pages of book were dealing with the trauma and his internal emotions.
I'm not a book reader myself, I'm just reporting what the chuds online are whining about. I wouldn't be surprised if they're completely off base, those kinds of reactionary complaints are rarely based in reality
We all have our limits. And we set them further out than we have any right.
