Unfortunately we could not handle, like, 10,000 more leftists, 100,000 libs, and 20,000 chuds on this board.
Edit: When the sub comes back, there's going to be a lot of introspection and also a lot of vile transphobic shit. You should browse it and influence them during that time. Post your wins here or even better, post them as threads, dunktank style.
There's a lot of meta-discussion, (both good and :reddit-logo:) happening on https://www.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/ - Looks like mostly bad, go flame them and tell people to leave it.
There's also https://www.reddit.com/r/WorkersStrikeBack/ doing meta-discussion
Edit: the main sub is back. Go there are fight fed narratives. Browse new to get a word in early, and post your win screenshots to /c/agitprop
"Workreform" is a fucking terrible name for a spinoff subreddit. It deradicalises the message and turns it into socdem friendlier-capitalism shit. Absolutely everything must be done to push a more radical message.
I am also sitting on https://www.reddit.com/r/workingclass which is an appropriate "catch all" for workers issues if some posters want to join it to help with content and growth. It is not necessarily a movement name though.
It deradicalises the message and turns it into socdem friendlier-capitalism shit
thats almost certainly the point babyyy :big-cool:
I sorted by controversial in WorkReform and found someone saying "I fucking hate politics" in response to a thread about making it an explicitly left wing sub
:sadness: "I hate politics"
:big-cool: "I am fine with the status quo"
The workreform subreddit is run by a bunch of Canadian bankers lmaooo this is so fucked.
Why can’t these weirdos just be ok with “Labor” or “pro-Labor”
Yeah absolutely correct, it's a stupid subreddit name and the content looks pretty poor, so it's a good place to influence when a lot of antiwork reddit people are thinking of maybe going there
I just want to grab every single person on those subreddits by the ears and shake their head as hard as I can while yelling "A SUBREDDIT IS NOT A 'MOVEMENT'!"
i feel like workreform is gonna turn out to be a really big grift lmao. main poster doesnt post to any socialist subreddits and from what i have seen from posts and comments so far about 12% of people who interact are socialists
yeah workreform is basically a big vacuum to suck up the libs and socdems
Individual users can join if they'd like. I think what is meant by "not lifeboating" is not opening up an official antiwork comm here in coordination with the mod team of r/antiwork. If we have a flood of new users coming in to our small community, that would entail a lot of change to the site culture at once, a lot of it undesirable. That might turn out alright if you have a big enough moderation team equipped with the tools to handle it, but I don't think Hexbear has that right now. Especially not with a community the size of r/antiwork.
lol this site is reactionary and transphobic? What the fuck are you talking about? I challenge you to find any other website that has a less transphobic community than here, or a higher proportion of trans users
I challenge you to find any other website that has a less transphobic community than here,
I mean, I'm sure we're not perfect, but from community policy down to the development priorities of the software this site runs on this has been among our most primary concerns.
I remember. You're right. Take it from me. I've been a complete slacker as far as contributing to the site goes, but when that happened I was furloughed from work due to the economic impacts of Covid. Basically, r/ChapoTrapHouse got banned from Reddit then a week later I got called into a meeting to inform me that half of the company is being laid off.
For a few months I was able to collect unemployment and do nothing but work on this shit. I added the database schema and back-end API for the pronoun feature on this website - part of the (but far from the only) reason it is now incompatible with the upstream Lemmy project. I was thinking at the very least, this will be a great way to piss off the chuds and drive them away from the site, and I guess I was right, but the ensuing meltdown cut deeper than expected. None the less, I think it was all for the best.
We have struggle sessions from time to time. Then disingenuous hacks come piling on to say this is the end of the site, but it keeps going.
You're also right though that the mods deal with an onslaught that most of us are privileged not to see.
There's no path forward which doesn't involve pissing people off :) We just need to do our best to piss off the right people. And pigpoopball them for the world to see.
they mean hexbear. We just got handed another clear example why the vanguard/anarchist cels aren't going to come from posting. I for one enjoy being able to chill here and not see baby brained ass takes every 5 seconds that are oppressively every where else on the internet. If people want to join great, it's not like the admins said NO ANTIWORK FOLKS!
I’ve seen you say similar things in general about this site before a few times but it doesn’t really matter. I don’t really agree that the general vibe here is reactionary or transphobic or that it’s more so than Reddit for sure. Like those elements are here bc they’re part of our society and therefore of course wind up here but I think our mods and even non mod users do a good job fighting back, which is all we can do until we can revolutionize society. You brough uo the pronoun struggle and honestly since then i think it was a pretty big turning point in the sites culture for the better.
Either way, I agree with you that sincerity is better than irony poisoning and I think we always have room for more comrades here, but yea life boating the whole sub would be extremely unwieldy to control. Anyway I just got off work Im logging off this stuff. Good night comrade
That may be, but r/antiwork being a subreddit full of reddit users most of them having terminal reddit brain will only make those tendencies much worse.
Keeping the active userbase to ~20 people is the only way to avoid conflict on the site. Its not a hard and fast rule, but shit takes get you banned and as a result ~20 people provide most of the content here.
We should be shilling hexbear, but we should not be shilling hexbear as the solution for r/wallstreetbets, r/antiwork or r/goodthingcirclejerk suddenly disappearing.
No one ever reached out to wallstreetbets
No, but people who were influential at the time took it into consideration.
Everything under :reddit-logo: is in chaos; the situation is excellent :mao-aggro-shining:
I don’t see how lifeboating them could be much worse than all the WSB losers, but whatever, I don’t keep up with the happenings on r*ddit
Setting aside the social challenges, the site's infrastructure as it stands needs a lot more maintenance than it is getting (the handful of folks who have stepped up to keep the lights on here are heros). If we jump from 400 concurrent users to 4,000 concurrent users it will probably just break. The site runs on a single machine aside from some image caching provided by Cloudfare, whereas platforms like Reddit have redundant servers located all over the world with sharding databases and the capacity to spin up and wind down thousands of additional VMs as needed.
If we want to entertain this as a possibility, the first step would be getting this site into a state where it can actually withstand the Reddit hug of death. Otherwise, the lifeboat is going to sink to the bottom of the ocean. No one is going to move to a website that doesn't even work - and it needs to work exactly at the moment it will be under the highest load with all the regular users, refugees, wreckers, media, chuds, feds, and drama-seekers descending upon it at exactly the same time. As a strictly technical matter, we shouldn't lifeboat any Reddit community that hits r/all unless this website could withstand hitting r/all itself.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If we want to save Reddit communities from being vaporized, WE need to get THEM organized, so members of that community can assemble the resources they need to set up an alternative. We can share our experience and advice from setting up our own community, from the technical aspects to the social and political aspects. A bigger community will have a bigger pool of talent to recruit from. They will have skills and resources at their disposal which we cannot match. It will allow both communities to maintain autonomy, and the prescient demonstration of good will and concern will give this place street cred which will lead to growth of its own. It's basically Maoism 101.
I barely go to Reddit, but if anyone happens to be familiar with some trusted pillars of the AntiWork community, now is the time to start talking to them about independent infrastructure.
Well said, encouraging these communities to migrate to the fediverse and getting hexbear federated is the best path imo.
make this its own post as a call to action imo, why not maybe someone does know someone
WSB people were quarantined not onboarded. Everyone was tired of hearing their gamestonk spam in the main comms
I don't think lifeboating would ever work unless different communities on here are actually have the degree of separation that subreddits have. No community wants to join a site that they can't properly moderate.
