• Quimby [any, any]
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    2 years ago

    "man who has repeatedly fucked up explains his solution to the current problems he created"

  • CrimsonSage [any]
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    2 years ago

    No you wont because this isnt a wage problem you fucking tool bag.

  • ScotPilgrimVsTheLibs [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    "LOWER the housing prices!? Get a load of Mr. Entitled here!"

    "We NEED to lower wages now! Labor is a human right and people SHOULD WORK FOR FREE!"

  • invo_rt [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I Fucking Warned You Dude. I Told You Bro: A Critical Analysis of Capitalist Production

    :marx-goth:

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Better safety nets would get people back into work quicker by reducing the amount of time they waste on figuring out how they're going to eat this week or how they're supposed to afford the bus fare for 4 interviews this week.

    Any very small reduction in time you can achieve for people out of work has a cumulative effect when scaled up to the full population. A day or two reduction for one person is millions of days across the population.

  • solaranus
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    1 year ago

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  • ElGosso [he/him]
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    edit-2
    2 years ago

    Yeah it's wages that are doing it and not the fact that Covid just killed a bajillion people and destroyed all the supply lines

    Powell is a fuckin moron

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      In Communism North Korea, the government raises production quotas while slaughtering its citizens

  • luceneon [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    You know what would make people really happy? Decreasing their wages!

  • CTHlurker [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I have no doubts that he intends to try another Volcker moment, but I have serious doubts as to whether it will actually work or not. Wasn't the effectiveness of Volcker quite exagerated, since one of the main bottlenecks during the stagflation of the 1970's was the high oil price. And the CIA ensured that the oil crisis come to an end when the King of Saudi Arabia was merked by his own cousin, who just coincidentally just came back from a lenghty stay in America.

    • Mrtryfe [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      I think Volcker's main objective was to kill labor and crush the middle class, and while labor was already trending down when he took over, he finished the job quite effectively. Private sector Union agitation dropped tremendously during his reign, and was pretty much non-existent by the late 80s. Like there was even concern among the Reagan admin that he was going too far with the interest rates, but he pretty much admitted that labor needed to be psychologically destroyed.

      The bullshit about hot/cold economy is just a complete farce. Anytime shit gets a little too rough inflation wise, it's never about logical govt input into stimulating the country's output, ie maybe infrastructure spending, but almost always about killing off labor that's getting a little too uppity

      • CTHlurker [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        It's always a mystery what the people in power actually believe versus what they are willing to say in public. Especially the people who run the Fed, since the structure's governing it are so poorly understood by the average citizen in the first place, and the fact that the citizens have fuck-all controlling mechanisms to ensure good governance.

  • Glass [he/him,they/them]
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    2 years ago

    I'm not super versed in ghoul obfuscation, what exactly does he mean by moderating demand?

    • aqwxcvbnji [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Central banks face a choice between increasing the money supply, which lowers unemployment and creates more groxth, but which also leads to inflation, or decreasing the money supply which decreases inflation, but slows down groth (or can even cause a recession) and increases inflation. They are making the second choice right now.

  • mr_world [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    They're worried about inflation pressure from wage growth. If inflation grows then people want more money from their job to make up for it so their buying power doesn't decrease. Then if jobs raise wages, they raise costs. If costs go up, then purchasing power goes down, and that means people will want higher wages. So on and so forth. It's not that they think all inflation comes from wage growth, it's that they're scared of wage growth contributing to everything else causing inflation. So the plan all along was to stop all this $15+ an hour nonsense that's been taking off during the pandemic. The only reason McDonald's and others raised wages was because they knew they could lower them later. It was never a labor victory. The pretense was always that it was temporary.

    I listen to a financial...well it's not a podcast but it's a daily streaming video show about macroeconomics. It's wild to hear them admit all this stuff like it's reasonable. They've been talking about this for months now. It's why I listen, it gives a good perspective into the mind of liberals. They raise questions about wage growth and I'm like "Yea dipshits you can't just keep wages flat or decrease them because that screws over demand. It's Marx 101." They even once brought up Marx but then they just don't ever go further with the criticisms. They treat leftist economics like an obligatory historical thing that you study once in college and then kinda forget about because we've developed a better model by now.

    But anyways, yes, they want to control wages because they want to control all sources of inflationary pressure.

    • notceps [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      No you see productivity and wages were effectively decoupled ages ago so they believe that they don't need to increase wages because demand has risen without it, what they failed to understand is that people made up that gap by going more and more into debt, but I'm sure nothing bad can ever happen when too many people owe too much debt so we can safely ignore that one, also what's the name of the video would be interesting to see.

      • mr_world [they/them]
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        2 years ago

        They're trying to curb demand through QT. Slow demand by letting things be less affordable. Cut off the cheap investment money and debt. Demand drops because people can't afford to spend. Production slows to meet the lower demand (hence all the pushback about slowing down economic growth). They think there will be fewer job vacancies because there is less production happening, and therefore less labor required. This will somehow equate with less unemployment, I guess because the vacant jobs that aren't filled won't exist in the first place. Then wages have to drop because there's no demand that workers have to fill. Workers lose their leverage because there isn't as much of a need for labor. This allows employers to freely lower wages. This is where "recessions are bad for labor" come in. The same amount of people competing for fewer jobs because the economy is slowed down.

        It's a little shell game. Workers demand higher wages because they had leverage. There was a huge need for labor that wasn't being filled. Workers got higher wages. That meant the people at the top raised prices so it wouldn't cut into their paycheck. This created some of the inflation. Then the idea is for the government/fed to press pause on the economy so that people get laid off and jobs die. Demand for labor falls. Workers take lower pay because they have to. The people at the top actually take a larger cut than they had before because the actual inflation (which is just people choosing to raise prices for their benefit) isn't going anywhere. Yes, prices will fall some but they will still be higher than before. Inflation goes up to 10% and then falls to 6%, everyone is happy but it's still 6% over what it was before. People at the top keep that 6% while paying workers less.

        Yes, the workers can borrow more and more in order to keep up consumption. But like you say, that's going to have to stop at some point. What they're already talking about doing is cutting rates in 2024. This means they're going to speed up the economy again, and stimulate consumption/demand. So it's just this constant tweaking of the levers to keep things copacetic. That will allow enough debt to be paid off and enough incentive for banks to keep loaning. Of course this all works until it doesn't, but who knows when that'll be? We all thought/hoped covid was it but nope. Still going.

        • notceps [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Oh so they are even more insane than normal economists? Like right now it's just "Oh let's just make people take on more and more debt which will be fine as long as no one collects on it." worry about it later. Why is their take so insane lol, ignoring that people would literally flee the country en masse why would laying off everyone for a few months be even something you'd consider the amount of productivity lost by having to rehire everyone, retraining everyone would not be worth it at all. Especially when that shit can happen again at a later point.