https://twitter.com/mattduss/status/1529119587157037057

This person is a foreign policy advisor to Bernie Sanders

  • FailureToLaunch [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    If youre clamoring for war while Henry fucking Kissinger is sitting there saying "whoa now, this is a getting a little wild" maybe that should tell you something lmao

    Edit: some of the replies are wicked sick and some of them are like this dude

    Kissinger is extremely hawkish - just for the other side.

    Henry Kissinger, well known Russian asset

  • LeninsRage [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    This person is a foreign policy advisor to Bernie Sanders

    By the way you're seeing in a sort of shadow form how limited a challenge to the American status quo that a Sanders Administration could have posed. An outsider at the pinnacle of the power pyramid that is American Empire it ultimately powerless compared to the influence of institutional, systemic forces, and in order to rise to such heights will surround his or herself with advisers drawn from an intelligentsia that is still an outgrowth of the reigning hegemony.

  • a_fanonist_hexagon [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    It is kind of interesting to me how even the smarter arch reactionaries agree it's not a good idea to provoke Putin out of their own self interest, but the liberals are still frothing at the mouth

    • footfaults [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Because they're still convinced russiagate was real and was why they lost in 2016. Not that they ran a shitty candidate and a shitty campaign

      they have gone full "destroy Russia because they made us look bad"

        • footfaults [none/use name]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          Hillary just needs to find the manager for all the voters and complain. I'm sure that will sort this all out

      • CrimsonSage [any]
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        3 years ago

        As much as it is a non materialist explanation, I honestly think this is a massive contributing factor to the current lib Russia hysteria. They were so traumatized by Trump, and he and his hogs are too dumb to have done it themselves, because the libs are just so super smart, so it HAS to be putin.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Could it be because they view Putin as outside their West Wing civility fantasy and can't conceptualize the idea of diplomacy with him?

    • KiaKaha [he/him]M
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      3 years ago

      Kissinger’s thing is power balancing. There’s a decent faction of neocons who want to do the Sino-Soviet split again, but this time with Russia against China. Mearsheimer is one.

      • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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        3 years ago

        And it would be either a winning or a more successful strategy at least, if they hadnt acted in ways that pushed the two together more solidly.

        • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          They'd probably need a time machine to go back to 1990 and prevent the wholesale looting of Russia though.

    • Quaxamilliom [comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      libs are only for it right now cos the president is a dem, if Trump were still around and this was going on they would be full throat anti-war and constantly talking about how Trump is a nazi and arming nazis in ukraine.

      • tails__miles_prower [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        Are we sure about that? They congratulated him for bombing Syria and then called him a traitor for not killing anyone with it.

    • DJMSilver [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      The arch reactionaries of that time period are too liberal for mainstream now. The politics that constitute Sanders is even further right than the large majority of republicans in that time period.

  • comi [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I fucking hate this war, but what exactly was so objectionable about neutrality status, devolution of power in ukraine and second language status for russian. What is so against leftlibs ideals there? :meow-tableflip: or language minority rights don’t spread into Eastern Europe by transient property of ussr bad?

    Fucking porky war is over who gets to privatize ukraine

    • Abraxiel
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      3 years ago

      Well, they didn't hear about it, because what good would that do for NATO?

    • AnarchoMLDialectic [comrade/them,any]
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      3 years ago

      Ah well you see it’s because Russia are the bad guys.

      Russia does bad things to the good guys which makes them the bad guys. We are the good guys because we do bad things to the bad guys.

      It’s good to do bad things to bad guys. It’s only bad to do bad things to good guys. This makes them the bad guys and us the good guys.

      You see?

  • plov_mix [comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    “If your anti-imperialism shares with Henry Kissinger the analysis that US imperialism does in fact have its limits and is therefore in fact defeatable, then you are in danger of being too efficace in your anti-imperialism and hence not welcome in the lib club as we sucdems are.”

  • LeninsRage [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I too formulate my anti-imperialist principles based upon how bad a look it would be on social media to coincidentally agree with the stance of this or that war criminal

    • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Committed the cardinal sin of saying it would be a mistake to push the Russians too far and that Ukraine should concede territory.

      Unforgivably, he doesn't believe America is invincible and can do what it wants forever.

        • CrimsonSage [any]
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          3 years ago

          The american ruling class has so obscured and obfuscated the fall of the soviet union they really think they can make it happen again. They have zero understanding of the history of social and political economy for the past 200 years. All they know is their bullshit propaganda, and they think if they push hard enough Russia and china will just pop and scatter to the wind.

  • Circra [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    A lot of this stems from the liberal idea that if someone's evil then they're also gonna be stupid. You can see it with Trump, Bush mk. 2 etc....

    The problem we have with Kissinger isn't that his analysis of things was dumb. It's that he used it for greatest evil he could.

    • Cromalin [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      his analysis was also dumb, but in a completely standard liberal way.

      • Circra [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        In some ways it was wrong, but more in the sense that astronomers working within the paradigm of an earth centric solar system were wrong. Not dumb as such, just working with a flawed toolkit.

        What I'm getting at is the liberal trend to view evil as either stupid or insane whereas Kissinger is neither.

        I mean, his analysis comes up with it being a bad idea but probably for different reasons than others. I see the growing possibility of nuclear war and the suffering of countless innocents as a bad thing and a good reason not to pour petrol on the fire. He sees Russia as getting closer to China as the reason not to do so.

        • Cromalin [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          yeah, that's fair. some of the ideas he's espoused were completely batshit, but he definitely isn't any different functionally from your average technocrat, he was just better at saying/doing what people wanted in order to get access to the levers of power.

  • DirtbagVegan [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Choose your fighter anti-imperialism of Henry Kissinger or the anti-imperialism of George W Bush and the current US military.

  • iwishthiswasicq [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    how do i become an advisor to congress people

    i want to advise them that walking into congress with a bomb strapped to their chest will be great for israel