The theory provided cover to point to in order to defer attempts to address the problem.
Godwin's law provided a similar cover to a lesser degree. I can point to this theory that says you're wrong and ridiculous and that's that, dismissed.
Greater internet fuckwad theory made it much harder to address that period of the internet where everyone said f**got endlessly and "tits or gtfo" and other things. When we successfully started to affect this behaviour we saw the rise of red pill communities, MRAs and later gamergate. Rather than address this behaviour in people what occurred was that all the people that wouldn't change found places where they could behave in the radically awful ways they wanted to behave.
Oh wow, the white flight comparison is a good one, their "decline" from the mainstream internet since around 2016-2018 is because they fucked off to their own safe spaces. Hell, the righties in a forum I frequent, when they felt threatened by lefties in the site who are starting to stand up against them, straight up made an alternative forum named "Safe Space".
Good thing that unlike the historical white flight, cryptofash and g*mers are generally uninteresting uncreative shitheads who's contribution to their community mostly consisted of their toxicity, so the non-fascist internet didn't lose much when they self-segregates.
The latter part about MRA/redpill/gamergate cryptofascist pipelines is reminiscent of the “white flight” to the suburbs that happened because were that enraged and terrified of desegregated public schools and received a fortune in bigotry-driven subsidies to create the worst possible civic planning means to keep “safe” from you-know-who.
Right. And it highlights the fact you need to actually do something with these people to change their behaviour. Bullying them off into other spaces feels like progress but also creates entirely new problems because we just moved the problem somewhere else. If we don't physically change the people things can in fact get worse when that happens.
I know this is criticising a success we had but part of the wider movements it has contributed its own small part to where we are now.
If the same happens again and again it won't be real change, not in our lifetimes anyway.
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The theory provided cover to point to in order to defer attempts to address the problem.
Godwin's law provided a similar cover to a lesser degree. I can point to this theory that says you're wrong and ridiculous and that's that, dismissed.
Greater internet fuckwad theory made it much harder to address that period of the internet where everyone said f**got endlessly and "tits or gtfo" and other things. When we successfully started to affect this behaviour we saw the rise of red pill communities, MRAs and later gamergate. Rather than address this behaviour in people what occurred was that all the people that wouldn't change found places where they could behave in the radically awful ways they wanted to behave.
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Oh wow, the white flight comparison is a good one, their "decline" from the mainstream internet since around 2016-2018 is because they fucked off to their own safe spaces. Hell, the righties in a forum I frequent, when they felt threatened by lefties in the site who are starting to stand up against them, straight up made an alternative forum named "Safe Space".
Good thing that unlike the historical white flight, cryptofash and g*mers are generally uninteresting uncreative shitheads who's contribution to their community mostly consisted of their toxicity, so the non-fascist internet didn't lose much when they self-segregates.
Right. And it highlights the fact you need to actually do something with these people to change their behaviour. Bullying them off into other spaces feels like progress but also creates entirely new problems because we just moved the problem somewhere else. If we don't physically change the people things can in fact get worse when that happens.
I know this is criticising a success we had but part of the wider movements it has contributed its own small part to where we are now.
If the same happens again and again it won't be real change, not in our lifetimes anyway.
Exactly what I came here to say :I-was-saying:
Called out someone for being fash? You must be losing the debate :expert-shapiro:
How dare you compare the guy who said all immigrants should be sterilized to a nazi?