https://twitter.com/comunistamexico/status/1533258676718403584
I was at a party a while ago and discussion turned drunkenly to politics (mostly comrades and a few apolitical people)
After one guy explained in detail what his ideal world looked like I looked him dead in the eyes and was like, ah so you're a Posadist. He had never heard the term lol he just basically made it up on his own.
I like that no matter how weird a comrade can be, it's always the case their take is identical to some long forgotten leftist dispute and there are entire journals dedicated to it.
People who think hard tend to reach the same conclusions as other people that think hard, and the only reason there is disagreement amongst hard thinkers is because we're imperfect beings.
This is because Posadism is the one true tendency and real materialists will reach it on their own inevitably
I love meeting some guy who’s like 75 and had almost the exact same politics as me but like also believes flouride in the water is turning us into slaves.
Please don't give in to anti-science nonsense like "the moon landings were faked." That's no different than believing COVID-19 is a Chinese bioweapon.
As long as the anti-science isn't actively harming people, like vaccine stuff, I think it's always better to engage in the discussions, because that's how learning happens. If someone doubted that particles and waves were the same, would you admonish them? Nah, you just explain the double slit experiment. You can often learn something from the discussion even if you already understand that it's anti-science nonsense. For example, debunking flat eartherism can teach you cool little trigonometric proofs.
There are literally reflectors on the moon left by the manned moon missions that are used to measure the distance of the moon using laser pulses. And the US and Soviets have both used them, so unless there was a global commie/capitalist conspiracy...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment
so unless there was a global commie/capitalist conspiracy
Some Russians think Brezhnev traded complicity in the moon landing for a gradual draw down of American troops in Vietnam, which Nixon began in 1969.
Would the Soviets trade a major propaganda victory to save tens of thousands of lives? I don't know.
The Soviets have also placed verifiable retroreflectors on the Moon.
That’s no different than believing COVID-19 is a Chinese bioweapon.
acktszchtchyually, it would be analogous to believing that COVID-19 is a US bioweapon (which it is)
This is one of my favorite conspiracies but I believe that Apollo 11 left a reflector on the moon that's been used since then to check the exact distance the moon is from earth. It's still operational, even (afaik).
It's a big mirror, it shouldn't ever stop working unless it gets hit by something.
But then again, whose to say they didn't drop an unmanned lunar lander on the moon and then bring in Kubrick to fake the rest of it :illuminati:
But then again, whose to say they didn’t drop an unmanned lunar lander on the moon and then bring in Kubrick to fake the rest of it
the point of the space race (especially from the US side as Sputnik was launched on a whim by some soviet scientists just trying shit) was to show off missile technology without the overt aggression of nuclear tests. An unmanned mission would be just as good for the actual purpose
The first unmanned landing on the moon was in 1966 by the Soviet Luna 9 probe, in order for there to be anything for the Americans to claim as groundbreaking they would have had to fake their unmanned landing actually being a manned landing.
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for the record i don't actually believe Apollo 11 was faked, i'm doing as bit
Yeah the folks at
unrealoops it was Nvidia actually did a pretty convincing demonstration that the lighting in the footage could only have come from the sun at the precise distance of the moon from earth in an environment without an atmosphere.But even after the light was modeled [...] the image still did not look right.
Part of the challenge was---we got the surface reflection of the Moon dust, we got the reflection off of the lunar module, we got all of that in place and properly modeled---we thought---but the image still didn't look quite right. There was some additional light source that was just missing...
They said that their computer model perplexingly didn't work until they found a solution in changing the albedo value of Armstrong's suit. But unless they experimentally derived that value themselves using instrumentation, then how can they be sure that they weren't simply moving a slider until it fixed their simulation, i.e. working backwards from a solution?
The same goes, to some extent, for the values of the lunar dust. It's impossible to experimentally confirm this stuff unless we go back to the Moon. That's the problem I have with using the photographic evidence as proof. It's the same reason I never really found the conspiracists' claims of photo trickery very convincing either.
In order to prove that the footage "could only have come from" the Moon's conditions, it's also necessary to prove the negative on Earth. The Nvidia rep says at 8:52 that they never attempted to prove the negative. They only attempted to prove that it can be done on the Moon. They didn't model the conditions with an atmosphere for comparison.
lighting [...] at the precise distance of the moon from earth
I'm confused. I didn't hear them say anything about using reflective light from the Earth in their model. Did you mean to say "the precise distance of the Moon from the Sun"? Is that significantly different than the distance from Earth to the Sun? Sometimes the Moon is farther away from the Sun than the Earth, and sometimes it's closer.
Sometimes the Moon is farther away from the Sun than the Earth, and sometimes it’s closer.
Yes poor wording on my part.
Nah manned mission is 2-way and involves life support systems. It’s much harder and shows much more mastery of rocketry and all that
Not really, it just shows you can lift a bigger payload of return fuel and life support. Doing 2 orbital maneuvers is not substantially harder than doing 1, it just means you need more fuel. Obviously, having life support for a longer time is more complex, but it's not a mastery thing, it's mostly just a budget thing. Both weight and money.
it just shows you can lift a bigger payload
This is the primary hurdle. The Soviets failed to put a man on the moon because they couldn't create an engine with enough thrust. To this day, the thrust on the Saturn V has not been matched or surpassed, and its engines are a lost art.
Carl Sagan and Gerard Kuiper should have just nuked the moon. :posadist-nuke:
Fun fact: Gerard Kuiper was a student of Antonie Pannekoek.
My favorite fake moon landing joke is that Kubrick was brought in to fake the whole thing, but being an auteur he insisted on filming on location.
My second favorite fake moon landing thing is the old Battlezone game, where the moon landings happened, but they were a diversion for moving a large army of anti-gravity space tanks to the moon to fight the Soviets.
I mean yeah, I guess that's a viable way to keep the conspiracy alive. Honestly it's a fun one because it makes so much sense.
It's also possible to just see the lunar lander stuff on the surface with a powerful enough telescope
I don't think this is true. Even the Hubble Telescope isn't powerful enough to resolve the landing sites. You have to use lunar orbital satellites to see anything worthwhile.
You're correct. They're called Lunar Laser Ranging Retroreflectors.
NASA installed three and the Soviet Union installed two.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_retroreflectors_on_the_Moon
I didn't learn about the Soviet ones until last year, and I did a lot of research on the Space Race to create this meme three years ago.
signal [...] coming from the Moon
Could be accomplished with a radio repeater dropped by Apollo 10. :shrug-outta-hecks:
You have no idea how many layers I'm on right now. I have terminal Epstein-brain. Please send help. :scared:
Pfah, they clearly... [rolls dice] built a supercomputer roughly equivalent to a mobile graphics card from 2010 and filmed the whole thing in an early build of source film maker, which was later leaked to Valve. Everyone knows that.
I misread it as "special efforts" at first and thought I was being extremely dumb because I couldn't understand what the problem with the tweet was
Not to get into the moon stuff, but the only photographs of the surface of Venus are from the Soviet space program and that's cool as heck
Yes :amerikkka: faked the :hex-moon: landing and I'm tired of pretending otherwise
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Can't acces this link because it's a Russian website :brow:
Thank your government and ISP for protecting you from dangerous disinformation. :07:
I initially thought they were making a jab at the US for using Nazis in their space program
It would have zinged so much, but no.
And I'd really like to believe "oh they are just being edgy" but trust me, I know local Communists(TM), they are... dissapointing
- Americans are the most propagandized people in history
- Nobody is immune to propaganda
Any comrade who truly internalizes these two postulates is willing to reconsider things they once dismissed as nuts.
Any comrade who truly internalizes these two postulates is willing to reconsider things they once dismissed as nuts.
this is pretty much my MO.
after seeing so much lying I just assume the opposite until evidence comes out to the contrary. If I don't care enough to investigate, I just assume the opposite 100% because fuck it so are they
I don't like hero worship but Yuri Gagarin is someone I look up to immensely.
I see Yuri as a symbol of the soviet worker, reaching for and achieving the stars.
It's more than hero worship. He represents everything the soviets strove for and achieved. And he is pure, untainted by any propaganda, just absolutely and wholly good. He's the perfect symbol to promote and maintain the USSR's image.
He's just a normal dude who got chosen for a space program. he's not perfect, He's not some grand hero who overturned history. He's just a normal guy, skyrocketed to great heights by collective teamwork and human ingenuity. It is not hero worship we are doing here. If there's any 'worship', any religion, it is the religion of humanity itself. A religion too many have fallen away from. In a sense, the Tower of Babel may not have existed, but in another sense, it's story was very much real. Together, as a species, or even as a small group, we are capable of escaping not only our own limits as individuals but the bounds of the very earth itself. God may have abandoned us but we, we will always have each other. And in a very real and material sense, we will always have Yuri. And I know if humanity falls, it will not be because we were not up to the challenge, but because we did not have enough faith in each other.
I look into our past and I can see that we could have been the species, or can still be, the species to break the 'Great Filter'. Humanity's strength as a collective rivals the power of the actual gods we created thousands of years ago in our stories. I think if we are all exterminated and are found by other, space-faring life, that life will both breathe a sigh of relief that our worse side did not expand beyond our planet, followed by the regret that could only be created by seeing one of the brightest sources of potential in this gravitational cluster become extinguished and fade under it's own cynicism.
The US couldn't put a man on the moon now but we could do it during jim crow? Sure thing bud.
I knew some Russians at one point who wanted me to help them uses publicly accesible moon photography equipment to prove America faked the moon landing
oh they didn't work for the Russian state they just wanted to do it
maybe it was my boss who was negotiating with them about it in return for something so I didn't actually meet them
