The Eight Hundred: Directed by Hu Guan. With Zhizhong Huang, Junyi Zhang, Hao Ou, Xiaoguang Hu. From the acclaimed filmmaker behind Mr. Six comes a riveting war epic. In 1937, eight hundred Chinese soldiers fight under siege from a warehouse in the middle of the Shanghai battlefield, completely surrounded by the Japanese army.
I think promoting the ROC and China being proud of its battles against non-Chinese invaders is actually an essential part of fighting against a secessionist identity.
To stop people from identifying as Taiwanese you need to make them want to identify as Chinese. If you absorb old China into modern China and take pride in it as part of your cultural history then you take it away from the secessionists. They can't frame it as something China rejects and they can't claim to be the real historical China because modern China accepts it as their own history.
I actually think communists should get much better at doing this -- absorbing and coopting things. Many capitalist countries can not claim to have much link to their own history but they absorb it and coopt it in any way they can for the state's interests. The socialist state should absolutely do the same in its own fight against capitalism.
I actually think communists should get much better at doing this – absorbing and coopting things.
yea I'm not sure why so many leftists are so triggered by shit like pepe. It's literally just a general meme that got coopted by wignats, just like "based" and everything else
We decide X is "bad" and then you're bad if you do it or use it.
There are certain elements of this whole lark that the far right understand better than us. The whole "ride the kali yuga" shit is fascist cringe but there is a nugget of value to pull out of it and adopt within the left and that is to figure out how to go with the flow, how to absorb things, how to accept certain elements of the left being messy if it advances the overall more immediate goals of the left. We can fix a lot of bullshit later if it advances us towards revolution in the meantime.
This is actually essential if we're going to get wider and mainstream.
Have you read Wretched of the Earth? It offers some interesting insights into the adopting of nationalist type thought by the oppressed... with the caveat that it be abandoned at the right time, of course.
Patriotism is a french rebolutionary tradition social patriotism and internationalism arent nstionalism be ause its not the nation your loyal to but the people
I think we also sometimes forget the Left KMT is at least nominally part of the Chinese Government. They're no fans of the ROC dictatorship that was fighting in this movie, but the CPC is if anything more of a direct heir to Sun Yat Sen than Taiwan and the heraldry isn't considered inherently evil.
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I think promoting the ROC and China being proud of its battles against non-Chinese invaders is actually an essential part of fighting against a secessionist identity.
To stop people from identifying as Taiwanese you need to make them want to identify as Chinese. If you absorb old China into modern China and take pride in it as part of your cultural history then you take it away from the secessionists. They can't frame it as something China rejects and they can't claim to be the real historical China because modern China accepts it as their own history.
I actually think communists should get much better at doing this -- absorbing and coopting things. Many capitalist countries can not claim to have much link to their own history but they absorb it and coopt it in any way they can for the state's interests. The socialist state should absolutely do the same in its own fight against capitalism.
yea I'm not sure why so many leftists are so triggered by shit like pepe. It's literally just a general meme that got coopted by wignats, just like "based" and everything else
We decide X is "bad" and then you're bad if you do it or use it.
There are certain elements of this whole lark that the far right understand better than us. The whole "ride the kali yuga" shit is fascist cringe but there is a nugget of value to pull out of it and adopt within the left and that is to figure out how to go with the flow, how to absorb things, how to accept certain elements of the left being messy if it advances the overall more immediate goals of the left. We can fix a lot of bullshit later if it advances us towards revolution in the meantime.
This is actually essential if we're going to get wider and mainstream.
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:sus: even if it is china
Have you read Wretched of the Earth? It offers some interesting insights into the adopting of nationalist type thought by the oppressed... with the caveat that it be abandoned at the right time, of course.
no
guess i'll get around to it some time
Patriotism is a french rebolutionary tradition social patriotism and internationalism arent nstionalism be ause its not the nation your loyal to but the people
:thinking-about-it:
And sober now
Im right
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I think we also sometimes forget the Left KMT is at least nominally part of the Chinese Government. They're no fans of the ROC dictatorship that was fighting in this movie, but the CPC is if anything more of a direct heir to Sun Yat Sen than Taiwan and the heraldry isn't considered inherently evil.
The fact that both the CPC and KMT claimed Sun Yat Sen’s legacy is sometimes confusing.
You should watch the movie, it’s not about the ROC nor to portray them in Good light