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  • Owl [he/him]M
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    2 years ago

    If you ever see any science reporting about research coming out of Harvard, MIT, or a similar school, you should just assume it's nothing.

    The schools often produce good research, but science reporting is uniformly garbage, and the those schools have incredibly well-oiled PR machines that exploit that reporting. The point of this sort of thing is to get you to either apply to that school, or to make alumni proud enough to send them money.

      • edwardligma [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        the way the lab head guy pulls the 6-well plate out of the incubator and holds it up, i guarantee thats also the first time hes been in the actual lab itself in about ten years and he probably barely knows what hes looking at himself cos all his phd students and postdocs on poverty wages are doing all the actual work while he mostly bullshits for grants

  • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    Research into ageing is a good thing, consider it a health and quality of life problem, if we could delay or even remove some of the worst effects it would make literally billions of people have a better life.

    But this is also like flying cars, fusion and now AI, it is always 10 or 20 years away and when the report is about "researches are saying" or "researchers are looking to" you can just ignore because it is either PR or someone desperately trying to fill their science news writing quota for the week.

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      • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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        The thing with medicine is that it is not that straight forward. On one hand yes the rich always have better healthcare, but on the other hand it is at least one of the areas where technology really did spread and improve far enough to be accessible to the general pop, yes even if by general we mean western and clearly divided by economic class. These days some treatments and drugs are even cheaper in the third world. Not that this is a good thing, but it is not straight forward to say X is expensive and inaccessible in Y country therefore it must be the same everywhere else.

        I am ok if Bezos or Musk gets to enjoy a slightly better life at 80 even it means millions or even billions get the same chance as well, and yes obviously I'm confident this will be the case, again even the most expensive treatments are available for millions of people worldwide today. I'll even be honest and say I'm a bit selfish here and say I hope some sort of treatment for the elderly is available 30 or 40 years from now.

        The marxist in me says the power these people have is not determined by their persona, but by their material wealth and obviously their class. That wealth will be inherited either by their descendants or plundered and split among the rest of the capitalist class. One less capitalist dead at the age of 70 or 100 doesn't mean anything when their 25yo failson inherits the business or it is bought by some other mega corp anyway.

        The worst thing about ageing research is the association with tech/crypto bros. Otherwise I think the moral argument over quality of life in favor of it wins out over the concerns.

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    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      I honestly can't even remember the context, but I was talking with a guy who was literally doing anti-aging research centered around the decline in production of certain proteins that regenerate cell tissue. He felt very convinced that they'd have some kind of human-ready treatment in another ten years.

      Then there's Cuba's research into neuroalcim, trailblazing treatment of Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease. We've got a litany of treatments for various forms of cancers that have turned it from a death sentence into a chronic condition. The FDA just approved a treatment to delay the onset of Type I diabetes.

      Medical progress is being made. We can and should be a society that's expecting to live longer than our parents and grandparents. But even that isn't "age reversing" so much as "age delaying". There are so many other fucking problems, both internal and environmental, that a single solution can't fix. Modern research grants you the opportunity to live somewhat comfortably into your 90s, but its not going to keep Tom Brady playing football into his 120s.

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    • sooper_dooper_roofer [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Imagine a century or an eternity of :my-hero: and :lord-bezos-amused: . This is not good news in the current system.

      uhh they still can't bioengineer away the :the-doohickey:

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      Generally speaking, old rich people chase Stay Young cures like a starving rat chases the smell of rotting trash. They'll bite on just about anything when they're desperate enough. The "for rich people only" caveat on medical research tends to apply to the really boutique and not particularly well-established cures. Once you have a treatment that's reliable, industrial production of medicine means a good solution can get rolled out quickly and cheaply for a much larger audience.

      The real stopgaps in medicine tend to be much more mundane. Do you have time and accommodations just to get in and see a doctor or are you stuck making a 2-hour drive to the nearest clinic? Can you get routine examinations, like X-rays and MRIs and sonograms and blood work, to even diagnose the problem you're experiencing? Do you have access to any kind of surgery center? Consider the 3x rate of childbirth related deaths between white and black Americans. This isn't cutting edge medicine that's being denied.

      Imagine a century or an eternity of :my-hero: and :lord-bezos-amused:

      Old Boss same as the New Boss. These guys got rich relatively young and they'll likely stay rich for the rest of your natural life. But even if they didn't, are they really any better or worse than your Bills Gates or your Warrens Buffet or your Kochs or Adelsons or Mercers? Do you pine for the days of Carnegie and Ford?

      Forty flavors of asshole all still taste like shit. I don't really care if Musk lives to be 1000 years old or if he gets supplanted by a new business tyrant in another twenty.

      • edwardligma [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        human biology at the molecular level is so much more complicated than just "turn a couple of genes on and off", especially for something as all-encompassing as aging, and there are so many mechanisms and interactions that vary massively even just between different call types and organs and we are nowhere near close to even scratching the surface of understanding. maybe this does do something noticeable for a couple of things like hairs going grey or whatever visible indicators of age but who knows what other shit its doing and even best case that its not making anything worse, i can pretty much guarantee its not reversing anywhere near all the effects of aging. obvious thing to me off the top of my head is ending up riddled with cancer cos some of the stuff that makes us age is a kinda trade-off with anti-cancer mechanisms.

        and yeah this "oh yeah itll be through trials and ready for sale in 10-15 years" stuff, lol come on guy. there might be something interesting and useful under all this sales pitch stuff but he is massively overselling

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  • Tachanka [comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    I’m sure the knowledge produced by this research will be enjoyed by all and not just a select few who can afford it.

    (Elysium, 2013)

  • FourteenEyes [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Looking forward to the unveiling of the Warhammer 40k Juvenat treatment chambers in which a thousand screaming children are fed into one end to be liquefied, and a refreshed, rejuvenated Elon Musk with a full head of natural hair to lose all over again comes out the other

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  • JK1348 [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Good they'll look nice and young for their guillotine photos

    • FourteenEyes [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Kissinger's just an ancient vampire who had to find a way to blend in with mortals upon his reawakening in the modern world. Some ancient vampires make terrible movies about a room where a guy is fed up with the world, some wear old-fashioned suits and review fast food on YouTube. But they'll outlast all of us.

    • kristina [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      im down for elvish style ageing. looking young until one day you keel over.

      • hes_fired [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        Dwarvish aging also, where at some point soon after puberty you're just old looking and stay the same old for decades.

        The slow descent into aging, that's the bad shit.

  • Lymbic_System [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    They will want to extent this more of the population then you might think why hire fresh grads when you can have a cracked crew of workers you get along with, could trap people in a cycle of geting treatments for years as long as someone worked here.

    That being said id like to see how good a absolutely cracked team of fast food workers that have make tacobell for 500 years how good can you get before diminishing returns

  • RION [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Hoping this takes the lobster approach of just growing and growing until you're too large to sustain yourself