I don’t want to make this a big thing, but being systematically degraded and marginalized for centuries fucks people up.
the vast majority of black people aren't bigoted against jews despite being degraded and marginalized.
please keep your focus and rage on the powerful
I do every day. This thread makes zero difference.
This is an unfortunate result of a brutal and relentlessly white supremacist society, and the way to prevent people being like this is to create a society where everybody can trust that they are included.
then the reactionary antisemites in this video should focus their rage on capitalism and white supremacy, not jews. It's not my rage that's displaced. I'm angry at capitalism and white supremacy every day. A nazi is a nazi. These people are saying the holocaust was good! That is not raging against white supremacy. Any other nazi and you would say "bullet, wall, ditch." but because they're colonized people I'm supposed to feel bad they're genocidal nazis literally heiling hitler?
By the way my anger is still focused on white supremacy because these people are white supremacists even though they have black skin. There are no excuses for nazism.
Honestly I think this is a very liberal way to look at morality, like we’re all individuals and individuals who think correctly should be praised for independently coming to a correct perspective, and individuals who don’t should be punished.
All views are socially constructed, including your own - you’re not a special person for having good moral perspectives, you were born into a different social environment than these people were.
And yeah, no shit not every black person has the same views - when you turn up the heat on the popcorn kernels they don’t all pop at once. The point is, being on the stove made you much more likely to pop than if you weren’t.
And posting this and then angrily defending doing so is exactly what moving your focus from the powerful is. Instead of being focused on the powerful you are focusing on shaming the subaltern.
And posting this and then angrily defending doing so is exactly what moving your focus from the powerful is. Instead of being focused on the powerful you are focusing on shaming the subaltern.
how can i be "shaming the subaltern" if i am a member of the subaltern? But I'm not "shaming the subaltern." I'm shaming reactionaries doing genocidal rhetoric. But you are saying my focus is misplaced, presumably, because they are black victims of racism and colonialism, and on that basis i should view their reactionary outburst as entirely a symptom of this. I never forgot colonialism or racism. You view them as products of brainwashing without any agency of their own. You likened them to kernels of popcorn in a kettle. The kettle in your metaphor being colonialism and racism. Except when most victims of colonialism and racism "pop," from the pressure of colonialism and racism, regardless of whether they pop first or last, they don't "pop" by becoming bigoted against other marginalized groups. Simply chalking their antisemitic bigotry up to colonialism and racism alone lacks explanatory power since plenty of victims of colonialism and racism don't turn out this way.
I have no idea what race you are, nor is it really relevant
then apply that to the reactionaries we are discussing.
the vast majority of black people aren't bigoted against jews despite being degraded and marginalized.
I do every day. This thread makes zero difference.
then the reactionary antisemites in this video should focus their rage on capitalism and white supremacy, not jews. It's not my rage that's displaced. I'm angry at capitalism and white supremacy every day. A nazi is a nazi. These people are saying the holocaust was good! That is not raging against white supremacy. Any other nazi and you would say "bullet, wall, ditch." but because they're colonized people I'm supposed to feel bad they're genocidal nazis literally heiling hitler?
By the way my anger is still focused on white supremacy because these people are white supremacists even though they have black skin. There are no excuses for nazism.
Honestly I think this is a very liberal way to look at morality, like we’re all individuals and individuals who think correctly should be praised for independently coming to a correct perspective, and individuals who don’t should be punished.
All views are socially constructed, including your own - you’re not a special person for having good moral perspectives, you were born into a different social environment than these people were.
And yeah, no shit not every black person has the same views - when you turn up the heat on the popcorn kernels they don’t all pop at once. The point is, being on the stove made you much more likely to pop than if you weren’t.
And posting this and then angrily defending doing so is exactly what moving your focus from the powerful is. Instead of being focused on the powerful you are focusing on shaming the subaltern.
do you think i'm fucking white?
I have no idea what race you are, nor is it really relevant
how can i be "shaming the subaltern" if i am a member of the subaltern? But I'm not "shaming the subaltern." I'm shaming reactionaries doing genocidal rhetoric. But you are saying my focus is misplaced, presumably, because they are black victims of racism and colonialism, and on that basis i should view their reactionary outburst as entirely a symptom of this. I never forgot colonialism or racism. You view them as products of brainwashing without any agency of their own. You likened them to kernels of popcorn in a kettle. The kettle in your metaphor being colonialism and racism. Except when most victims of colonialism and racism "pop," from the pressure of colonialism and racism, regardless of whether they pop first or last, they don't "pop" by becoming bigoted against other marginalized groups. Simply chalking their antisemitic bigotry up to colonialism and racism alone lacks explanatory power since plenty of victims of colonialism and racism don't turn out this way.
then apply that to the reactionaries we are discussing.