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Token trans characters being shoved into franchises as a means of excusing casual bigotry would be a really funny direction for things to go.
Ironically this will make conservatives mald and complain about the game.
It's the same reaction as there was to gay people but fifteen years behind every time. This is because they think due to Trans people being accepted by cis gay communities earliest and therefore being in the whole lgbtq angle makes it ALSO something based in who you want to fuck instead of who you want to be. They don't see Trans women as women, they see them as a New Gay Type and they just don't see Trans men at all. Gender binary brain limits these people into thinking that gender expression is always inherently tied to sexual desires.
Tldr: transphobes are perverts
Partly there, it's patriarchy.
Men viewed as giving up their patriarchal dominance is viewed as threatening to patriarchy, whereas women gaining patriarchal dominance is viewed as a positive thing because they're trying to gain patriarchal power. This is why the focus was primarily on gay men rather than lesbians back in the day, and it's why the focus is on transwomen more than transmen today. The transwomen are viewed as giving up patriarchal power, and that's a threat to people with patriarchal power that want to maintain patriarchy, it causes a visceral emotional reaction in them.
The reactions to the two look so similar because they have exactly the same reasons.
I got carried away writing and decided to boil my post down to be a post people wont scroll over, but yeah, that was in the first draft. On ancient Greece lesbian sex wasn't even considered sex cause there wasn't a dude involved where there was super weird rules about how to be homo but no homo.
There's also just the absolute fucking laziness involved in not understanding that wanting to change you gender or how you express it can have very little sexual inspiration. It's like my dad who I can recall saying when I was too young to clap back "Why do gay guys act like women if they want to attract dudes who like men?". Which both indicates that my dad would only fuck a dude if it was a full Tom of Finland drawing and just the fundamental misunderstanding that people may express themselves in non sexual ways. This is especially weird because straight dude fashion is the most aesexual garm possible
Which both indicates that my dad would only fuck a dude if it was a full Tom of Finland drawing
your dad was apparently also a daddy
Present tense. He's still alive. The joke came to me but there was no fucking way I was gonna make it myself.
If the feds are ever gonna try to blackmail me, he'd laugh at the Tom of Finland joke, be maybe a bit mad about using that example cause it was like 20 years ago he was saying that, now I'm not sure if he wouldn't or just won't around me, but calling my dad a daddy could be compromising.
Edit: I even generally don't give a fuck about opsec, if posts didn't get auto deleted anyone could find out who I am and there isn't really anything I post here that would surprise whoever has my file. But I will not have it available to anyone that I said my father was a daddy. That is for a jury of his peers to decide.
Funnily enough, I feel like it is actually completely backwards- they feel sneering scorn, hate or lust towards transwomen but the concept of transmen causes them profound, existential anxiety
Grouping scorn, hate and lust together like they're categorically the same is a bit weird. There is for sure some transphobic right wing dudes who are chasers/super into femboys (there is no difference from their perspective, there is for sure s big difference, just illustrating a mindset I disagree with) because that's the logical end game of misogyny combined with a fascist mindset. They see women as tools for reproduction and not to go full all homophobes are secretly gay, along with the ancient Greek views on sexuality they tend to worship, fascists on the whole have always wanted relationships with femboys and to use women as breeding stock. I'm not the first person to remind people that sexual preferences even if radical do ot constitute radical politics, but the further right you go, the further they absolutely do
I actually think the reaction to trans people has gone backwards. In the 50s 60s it was "War Hero and athlete now a woman, what a stunner the pretty little lady is isn't she lads!?" Which was, sexist, and a bit creepy, and not exactly body positive. But a positive portrayal for the time and accepting of their gender at least. Look like a woman, do all the artifice of being a woman, you're a woman of course what the fuck else would you be?
The bigotry seems to track with the removal of artifice from gender performance in favour of naturalist essentialism from the 1920s on (corsets are wrong and constricting, and so are wide skirts with pockets even though both are practical for the lives women actually lived. Just look like the ideal form already why don't you, or get surgery if you don't, and we'll judge you for that too!) and then accelerating in the post-60s era.
I'm not saying that the women liberation movements of the 60s caused this, (they were, mostly, good and cool and more of that please) but we can trace modern TERF anti-trans bigotry to that time, specifically a group of Lesbian Separatists and adjacent groups with a biological essentialist view of womanhood, ironically based around the ability to bear children. It's now merged with alt-right chuddery, which aside from occasional swings of trans panic mostly ignored trans people in favour of standard gay bashing until the 2000s.
Ohhh features a transgender character you can MEET and INTERACT with? Like a zoo exhibit? :jokerfied:
Reminds me of how a lot of cishet women will treat gay men as their pets
inb4 she's the only person who sides with the goblins, who are inexplicably the bad guys for wanting the full value of their labour
:british-maw: they simply cannot stop naming kids Jameson O'Carbomb and Ni Hao Ma and Ivan Kalashnikov and Blacko Spearman :agony-minion:
I get the 'sir' thing but does the name Ryan have any meaning that might be going over my head here?
Or is it just "le man name for le female lol lol lol bazinga?"
I feel like this is a really dumb question but just making sure im not missing something shitty.
Sirona is a Celtic / old Irish name, as is Ryan. Like, i'm not defending their hamfisted fuckery but a little reading goes a long way.
Yeah it's almost certainly not an intentional sligght, but i'm going along with it because fuck'em.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirona
In Celtic polytheism, Sirona was a goddess worshipped predominantly in East Central Gaul and along the Danubian limes. A healing deity, she was associated with healing springs; her attributes were snakes and eggs.
:warren-snake-green: :trans-egg:
yeah, it's a generally male name, and especially combined with the first name is pretty shitty
That's what i thought, but then my brain pivoted to "wait maybe something I'm missing here."
Thanks for clearing up!
but ryan is also a first name, and when used as one is a fairly common male name. it could be a coincidence, but i have no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt
It's a common Irish surname. Fuck 'em, but saying it's a deliberate insult is a big stretch and people who aren't already on board are going to think you're being silly or acting in bad faith. This is really a nothingburger. SIrona is the name of a pagan celtic woman diety and Ryan is a common Irish surname.
i get that there's plausible deniability, but given everything surrounding the game i just don't believe it's a coincidence
when the franchise has a history of names like cho chang and kingsley shacklebolt? i'm not saying it was an intentional insult, but i don't think those names were intentionally offensive either
if this is true I can't wait for JKR's inevitable tweet about it, would be :xi-clap: if she decided to do her usual tweet-canonisation just to undo the transness
please shoot yourself in the foot you fuck
they did the thing where they try to make you the bad guy for not doing the bad thing again
Can't wait for the surprise reveal that the game also has the first terf Dia Vorced
In most contexts no, but all JK Rowling names are like "Irish O'Carbomb" and "Caster Spelles" and "Greedy McBankerstein" and all JK Rowling place names are Google Translate results for "magic place" and "magic castle".
So when everyone is named TheWay ThatIBeLike and your single trans character's name starts with fucking SIR and their last name is just a man's first name-
Idk seems like you have to squint for it esp if that other person quoting some wiki shit about sirona being a Celtic goddess being accurate
Like SerLava just said, when there is a history of picking offensive names for minority characters it's not just squinting for it or trying to find the worst interpretation. Especially given the reason the character was added to the game to try to hand wave away some criticism.
Yeah I also just looked up the meaning of the name Ryan, which people like that absolutely do, and it's also Celtic. It means "little king". Come tf on
It's a common Irish surname. Might as well be smith or jones or park or something.
Yeah they don't really have a tradition of naming their characters Brian Smith and Paul Jones and Mary Davis and Kevin Johnson
No reason to give her or the enormous number of people involved in this character's creation the benefit of the doubt
Nah I can abso fucking lutely see JK Rowling literally call up the game studio and tell them she wants that and to name her after this goddess. Absolutely
It's not. Sirona is a pagan celtic woman deity associated with eggs, of all things. Ryan is a common Irish surname. People are, entirely justifiably, looking for dogwhistles and shit, but this is almost certainly a false positive.
The character's name is Sirona Ryan
and they're apparently voiced by a cis manlolEdit: I was wrong on the voice actor being a cis dude. Got that info off twitter, my bad
Voiced by a trans woman, same actress as the first trans doctor who companion.
https://twitter.com/SunnyStitcher/status/1622708084341702658thanks for the heads up! Edited my comment. Was working off of incorrect twitter deets.
Tbf, the way people have sussed out the voice actor is by assuming it sounds cis mannish.
https://twitter.com/laurakbuzz/status/1622692923237142545?s=46&t=Gxyd0m8dDowJtRg-679NQLVp_gUpAyWktabI8IMYcNw
There is no sexism in The Honeymooners because there is a woman in it, checkmate, liberals.
is this true or are they retconning characters to deflect criticism again
I can't wait for the Disney movie about Greta Thunberg where they race swap her character like Velma :joker-troll:
but is it actually important that greta is shown as white?
like, she is more of an idea than an actual person at this point (which somewhat creeps me out as a neurodivergent person myself)
