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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/1338851
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Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20230811193345/https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-fire-all-regional-military-recruitment-chiefs-zelenskiy-2023-08-11/
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"Boot camp" meaning some dumbass NATO instructor showing you how to kick open doors and do counter-insurgency for 2 weeks before being sent off to run into a minefield
True, they were barely in Ukraine for a week before their own lack of opsec invited a rain of cruise missiles down on them
I mean there are literally videos of Ukrainian men being kidnapped so they can be conscripted into the military. The user you are replying to is clearly making a dark joke about that.
I think the lemmee user was making a joke about how such a kidnapper could be called "fuckass" or some other derisive name.
Two countries at war. One is the aggressor and other is the victim of aggression. But of course hexbear.net comrades would want the victim country to act all up to standard, and ignore how the aggressor country is doing its own military recruitment.
The confederacy also considered themselves to be the victims of a war of aggression, in fact some schools in the south still teach the civil war as the "war of northern aggression" even though they started that shit
Nazis are never the victims, if anyone attacks them first it's just self defense
I'm just a smol bean Ukwaine UwU pwease don't agress on me 🥺. Don't look at what I'm doing to the Donetsk, Luhansk, or Roma they're just subhumans.
the aggressor country is doing its own military recruitment.
Conscripting prisoners and shit is also abhorrent. We shouldn't have to say it anytime we criticize what Ukraine is doing though. Especially since what Ukraine is doing is the subject of the fucking thread.
I think they know quite well how it works, and hexbear. Hence the comment.
If they understood it then either they are a conspiracy theorist or they wouldn't call it a "brigade"
This is just a silly "no u". We're federated, not defederated, so one is relevant and not the other at the moment.
Lemmy dot world is always there if you want an instance that defederates from leftists and federates with your "scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds" types.
Hexbear has been using Lemmy for years, technical issues around our active user count and having to rely on volunteer labour means we were only able to federate recently.
Defend genocide? Please elaborate. We definitely do not support the NATO led genocides of the third world
Then go make your own private instance where you can federate with whoever you want and keep the mean old tankies out
mean old tankies out
Mask off already? Damn, that's kind of against the rules
What mask? I'm an ML and have never claimed otherwise on this account or its alts on any instance.
And being an ML isn't against the rules, so don't bog down our dear admins with superfluous reports.
"Tankies are bad."
Do you believe that that because you genuinely believe that capitalist nations like the United States and Russia are doing good things for the world, while "tankie" countries like Cuba and China are doing bad things for the world? Or do you believe that because you have been tricked by 100 years of racist propaganda that says socialists like Fidel Castro, Albert Einstein, and Martin Luther King were subhuman scum?
lmao How many times has that worked on anyone, honestly? Like I'm just gonna wake up one day and say, "yeah, you know what, my entire worldview has been shattered by @KurtVonnegut@hexbear.net whispering sweet commie propaganda in my ear"
Idk why you are all on stuck on the tankie shit like it matters that much to me. Like I said previously, I don't have a problem with the Christians for being Christian, but just like you tankies, the fandom is weird, intense and circlejerky af
IDK man. You're basically saying "Why are you stuck on that environmentalist shit? It doesn't matter to me. Go worry about climate change somewhere else, stop bothering me."
My brother in christ. Climate change will affect you whether you want it to or not. Capitalism will affect you whether you want it to or not. You can't just be "out" of it. You can't not take a side in whether the earth gets destroyed or not (environmentalism) or whether 90% of the world's population is plunged into neo-feudal slavery. You're either with the slave-owners or against them. You gotta pick a side!
The delusions have become paranoid
Who is 'tricking' you, and how? What the ever living fuck are you talking about?
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Oh fuck they figured us out, you're the first person we couldn't trick. You truly are capitalisms bravest soldier. I'm sure that'll matter when the rich go to space or bunkers or whatever.
Known capitalist evil practices do not absolve tankies of wanting to impose communism by force.
You use the term "racist propaganda" interchangeably as anti-socialist propaganda...as if the only victims of capitalism were the victims of racism.
Who calls MLK and Einstein scum? Maybe Fidel was called that by right-wingers during the Cold War. Why did you mix and match those 3? Why not Emma Goldman or Gorbachev, if you're just naming random socialists (I'm not even sure MLK ever explicitly considered himself a socialist).
I'm not even sure MLK ever explicitly considered himself a socialist.
Well then.
"I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"Today, capitalism has out-lived its usefulness." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"If America does not use her vast resources of wealth to end poverty and make it possible for all of God's children to have the basic necessities of life, she too will go to hell." - Martin Luther King Jr.
(from https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/01/21/11-most-anti-capitalist-quotes-martin-luther-king-jr)
It says a lot about the education system wherever you come from that you never learned MLK was a socialist. He HATED capitalism! Hated it! Also, the scientist Albert Einstein was a prominent socialist who wrote a famous article, "Why socialism?" explaining in detail why he was a socialist. Einstein and MLK believed in the same anti-capitalist struggle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Socialism%3F
ok he walked off and the tanks kept going? what are you saying? have you even seen the whole video
Bruh, it was a throwaway reply just like that stupid meme. What are you even replying to looking for a meaningful argument, honestly
It doesn't count that I said something stupid! It doesn't count because I wasn't serious! It doesn't count because I didn't think about it! That means I get away with saying stupid things!!
- Please only post links to actual news sources, no tabloid sites, etc
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is the "no tankie" rule in the room with us right now?
OK what is and isn't propaganda aside, can you explain how merely saying "I'm a tankie" is "posting propaganda"?
You don't say! I would've been clueless like walking into a room full of vegans
This site is significantly vegan to the point where there is cw on pics of food from animals.
We were invited here by the Lemmy.ml mods on behalf of their community. If the majority of users on Lemmy.ml wanted us gone then the Mods wouldn't have federated with us in the first place. Maybe you misread the community you joined 2 months ago? The mods of Lemmy.ml sure as heck didn't misread hexbear before federating with us.
on behalf of their community
Oh sure 😂
The mods of Lemmy.ml sure as heck didn’t misread hexbear before federating with us
They sure as hell aren't gonna misread the comment sections now
What's hilarious is that you think your mods are on your side in this fight. Why did you think they invited us here?
You've been here for two months. You don't know what the history of the website is. You don't know the character of its administrators. I've got a secret for you: they're leftists like us. In fact the whole lemmyverse was created by Marxist-Lenninists. This must be the very first time you've ventured out of your information bubble. Welcome. We're going to bully the shit out of you until you can behave amicably. Did you think you could just show up to someone else's community and start acting like you owned the place? There will be no eternal september here.
Then fucking check yourself, liberal. When you abuse the word 'genocide' you diminish it. You are doing the work of the nazis in making what they did (and this is what the westerner thinks of when they use the word genocide) seem no worse than the things you apply the label to in your cynicism or ignorance. And this was their literal strategy. Google "the double holocaust myth". When they were still in uniform they applied this strategy to the USSR (which could be one of the examples you're vagueposting at me over). You will find, if you dig into that search, documentation by Jewish hate watch groups to that effect.
I fucking mind genocide denial as much as you pretend to. So knock it the fuck off.
And go fuck yourself for calling me that.
???? When did I support Russia?
So what, just because I don't side with genocidal Azov means I must side with Russia?!
Lmao.
You're supporting policies and actions that lead to genocide. Either you're dumb or you're malicious.
I don't support genocidal Azov Nazis, if that's what you mean.
How is promoting an end to the war through peace talks genocide again?
You're promoting an end to the war that involves allowing Russia to complete its genocide. There's no peace talks to be had, Russia just have to leave.
Wtf are you even talking about? What part of peace don't you understand? Remove your brain worms and stop taking the piss.
Most people on lemmy came here because they didn't like the way reddit was moderated. If you don't like how Lemmy.ml s moderated you can go somewhere else like back to reddit or make your own instance. "Be the change you want to see in the world." This is 100% a "you" problem and it is funny (in a sad sort of way) that you think otherwise.
Most people on lemmy came here because they didn’t like the way reddit was moderated
Duh, and somehow irrelevant, but nice try
I'm not gonna let some scumbag tell me to leave. Federating with you all has made this site worse and we'll see how well this goes. This is not a "me" problem, but a "you bunch of scumbags" problem.
I'm not telling you to leave. I kinda like you. All I have to do is exist and you suffer. I don't really care if you to suffer but it does validate my self worth that I can effect you so easily. Your stubbornness makes me like you more because you refuse to disengage from validating my ego.
My previous comment was just trying to be fair and explain why leaving Lemmy.ml was the only likely way to end your pain at having to hear opinions you don't agree with but I guess I made it too complex. Enjoying your suffering is only fair if you are doing it of your own free will.
You also aren't using the "you problem vs me problem" meme correctly. The idea is that a "you problem" is something that only inconveniences you and and thus you are the one who has to fix it. We "bunch of scumbags" are actually quite happy with how things are going and as such wont be trying to change anything. And I as I was trying to explain I doubt anyone else (AKA moderators) is going to come fix things for you.
I hope you continue to spend lots of time on Lemmy.ml (you know the M L stands for Marx and Lenin right?) We hexagonal ursines will enjoy our time visiting here.
How do you know it is a fever dream if you didn't read it?
If you can't read something under 300 words you really don't have an opinion that matters.
I have a sixth sense, like ESPN or something. Or maybe I skimmed it. Who knows!
If you [don't want to] read [some epic bullshit] under 300 words you really don’t have an opinion that matters.
You're absolutely right, I have no opinion on it
Damn you're such a pathetic little baby lmao, you should have disengaged like 20 comments ago.
It's not a click bait sensationalist headline.
New study shows that both Democrats and Republicans demonstrate low levels of reading comprehension
"Scumbag"= "Anyone who is opposed to me, the main character of reality"
"Scumbag" = "Shitheads looking someone to pile on and shit on because they said something the horde didn't like"
Sorry, I forgot I'm supposed to be the NPC here and lay on the floor soaking punches for your pleasure
Fucking scumbag
Na , the NPC is then a "NPC" if he can not process new information , thereby he lays on the Floor repeating the same old "Offical Narrative" , like he was Programmed to... therefore NPC
here can you process this new information ? This is a Test , Are you somebody that repeats or are you somebody that thinks ... here @Lemminary@lemmy.ml ,.. you can now Test yourself , Bladerunner.. , NPCs can not Process Images , can you ?
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Wandering into a communist website and refusing to leave lmao have fun baby
Lmfao I don't think you guys get it. I'm not against communism 😂 This isn't politics. But just like with the Christians, I having trouble with the fucking fandom right now. JFC you all are awful in every way. Funny because I keep getting called a Redditor for some reason and yet you all reply just like them.
You got me there! I admit that I absolutely did not read that stupid AMA
" 😂" does not fool anyone in the year 2023, everyone knows "😂" means
Imagine emojis having different meanings outside your circlejerk. It's hard to imagine the world outside, huh
Someone who can will in a minute, if y'all keep this up. I'm not worried.
Umm, I don't think you realize how the fediverse has panned out in the last year, but go off with your lame attempts at an insult
Ooh, watch yourself with those sharp emojis, you might just dismember someone online with those
Umm, I don't think you realize
Holy shit I didn't believe people like you were realLemmygrad was the federated instance in the last year lmao
Damn, the threshold for responding with your teenage dreams as an emote keeps getting lower and lower. You wish I was that upset lol
Idk how to break it to you guys, but the magic corn cob does nothing to someone who can't give two shits about it. It's hard to hear, but please don't cry.
(Besides, it looks like you're creepily inviting people to some kinky fun times and that's infinitely more hilarious. Like I said, you all suck at your own memes.)
Well I ain't southern nor a girl, sweetheart, but I do spit in the bucket from time to time if you know what I mean
Brigading is whenever a Hexbear user uses the site like literally everybody else that got here.
Never heard of hexbear but why does an instance that claims to be leftist use Trump memes and back Russia?
Trump is funny. Obviously. Terrible but hilarious. We don't back Russia we just understand NATO to generally be far more destructive and deadly. That's just old Tom Bombadilaros thoughts.
That's so dumb... To consider a defensive alliance more destructive and deadly that a corrupt state waging a war of expansion
A defence of what? The people who invented global warming? Nah, hard pass.
Sure it's defensive, I just wish the people it's defending were attacked more
A Defensive alliance made up of all the great colonial powers.
Defensive alliance that bombs every third world country that dares to go against the interests of the imperial core? Who are they "defending again?
Also how much has NATO expanded since the end of the cold war with its mafia protection racket style tactics in Europe?
defensive alliance
NATO is defensive? lol, lmao
a corrupt state
That's Ukraine, it used to be considered the most corrupt place in Europe by the Western media right until February 2022
waging a war of expansion
That's also Ukraine since they're trying to take territory from the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics after they declared independence following the coup against Viktor Yanukovych in 2014
"That's so dumb, to consider a defensive alliance with the Serbian Black Hand more destructive and deadly than the Central Power's Imperialism waging a war of expansion" -Average Allied Nations Second International Member, 1914
Serbia, Libya, and Afghanistan were all defensive operations.
this is why we support Russia (Donbass to be Precise ) , this is also why Propagnda does not only happens to "other people" Mr. @Revanee@lemmy.one
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A military alliance of several superpower nations VS one angry revanchist state. Who's more dangerous?
Russia - starts wars and threatens nuclear holocaust - you sleep
NATO - literally just exists - you wake
Russia's #1 export is troll farms and that's why Russia is the most hated country in the world. Y'all just give people more reason to hate Russia.
NATO - literally just exists - you wake
How many millions of civilians were murdered/killed/starved/driven from their homes/displaced by American and NATO led imperialist wars such as the bombing of Yugoslavia, the invasion of Afghanistan, the bombing of Libya, or Isr*el's genocidal occupation of Palestine, which is proudly supported by the US and NATO?
You honestly think less civilians were killed in all those things COMBINED than by Russia? Really? That's actually one of the most wild liberal claims I've ever seen, and thats saying something. You've lost attachment to reality.
You're counting both sides but then blaming only Russia lol? Hard to take that seriously. Give us Ukrainian deaths, preferably only civilian deaths, and then we might have a conversation.
Russia's primary exports are murder, lies, and nuclear terrorism.
That would be the United States actually. Especially the last thing since Russia has never nuked anyone and America has.
You know how US Republicans like to claim that they are the party that ended slavery?
If you have to dig way back in history to make your point relevant and ignore everything that's happening in the present day, your point is stupid and your mental stretching looks ridiculous.
I don't have to dig back very far to find US atrocities actually. The Afgan war ended two years ago and was one of the counterpoints brought up to you.
But the idea that the United States is acutally better today than when they dropped the bombs is rich. At least we were nominally fighting fascism then.
ETA: OK so if by "nuclear terrorism" you mean... the mere act of having nukes and the implicit threat of using them. America has nukes too. Today. In 2023. Or is it only nuclear terrorism when bad country has nukes?
Putin has threatened nukes. Biden has not threatened nukes.
At least we were nominally fighting fascism then.
America was fighting a fascist enemy, not against fascism itself. America practically invented fascism.
There are no limit of ways to criticize the US, but it's slowly, marginally getting better. The US is slowly progressing.
Russia is getting worse.
Putin has threatened nukes. Biden has not threatened nukes.
You dont need to say the words "I threaten nukes!" to threaten nukes. Thats the whole point of mutually assured destruction. Merely having nukes is nuclear terrorism.
America was fighting a fascist enemy, not against fascism itself. America practically invented fascism.
Well we agree on something lol.
There are no limit of ways to criticize the US, but it's slowly, marginally getting better. The US is slowly progressing.
The US is demonstrably getting worse on trans rights, an issue I assume'd you'd care about.
And its definitely not gotten better about imperialist power projection overseas.
The US is demonstrably getting worse on trans rights, an issue I assume'd you'd care about.
Very much and on the STATE LEVEL, some states are taking right away. On a national level, trans people have never been so socially accepted before, and it shows. Trans people being out has never been higher.
Now in your precious Russia, your life is at risk just for being under suspicion of being gay, much less being publically trans.
My favorite part is saying that Russia exports "Nuclear terrorism" when saying that Russia is worse than... the only country that has dropped a nuclear bomb.
You ignorant gnome. We hate Russsia more than you. Russia is the liberal democratic nation built by the US from the corpse of our comunist forebears. I'd ask if you ever read a history book but your Midwest tag proves the only ones you got were written by Haliburton so it isn't your fault you are the way you are. If I wver visit your region I must try to trap you I in a circle of salt and force you to actually read some theory.
Literally just existing, chilling, sprinkling unexploded cluster bombs throughout the country side for Ukrainian children to step on for generations to come, vibing.
dog how can you be this clueless about NATO and still have such a strong opinion lmao
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/1052756
the idea of NATO "just existing" is a straight up rejection of history
NATO - literally just exists
HOLLLLLYYYY FUCCCKKKIIIINNNNGGG SHIIIIIIIITTTTTT
We also use Hillary Clinton and Biden memes, doesn't mean we support them lmao.
Ever heard of this thing called "irony"? Might be worth checking out
Because Russia is the same as America in pretty much every way. So it is fascist infighting. Trump is also the same as pretty much the same as every other president. Liberals just hate him for idiosyncratic reasons. So it is funny
Brigading is when a post shows up in your all tab and you comment on it
federation isn't brigading. a post shows up in our feeds, we click on it and comment because helping people dodge the draft is cool and good. We're one of the largest instances, and the consensus we have on issues like "conscription is bad" should not be taken as coordination on the part of hexbear users. If we did deliberately coordinate we'd all link you clowns to the thread where we did it because it would be funny.
Propaganda is when you say the same thing Reuters, CNN, WSJ, etc are all saying about draft corruption in Ukraine lol
I'm just here to laugh at bazinga dorks crying for mods
Idk if "commenting on a post from another instance that showed up in my feed because the instance I use is federated with that instance" is brigading.
Very cool that the moment someone says "brigading" I can look at their profile and see, yup they joined in June. Wonder why that is 🤔
The wild canuck rages, for it has no values or culture to share
If you're so eager to defend a military conscription/draft, why don't you go and fight on the frontline yourself? This whole article is about Zelenskyy cracking down on Ukrainian citizens avoiding the conscription because they don't want to be sent into the meat grinder that is the heavily fortified front lines.
It's always those that face the least consequences from war that are the most eager for it to continue.
Oh man, that brings me back to the days when r/cth used to brigade other subs. Those were the times.
Never thought I'd live long enough to see it again...
I just looked, and I think it'd be more accurate to call it a Neo-Bolshevik cesspit.
I know. They like to spread dangerous misinformation that helps Russia and Trump take over the world. It sucks. I wish we had an instance just for us anti-authoritarians.
Hexbear users rushing to bombard this comment with image reactions to say they're not brigading
I've been interacting with them recently to see what they are all about and lmao I don't think I've ever had a dumber discussion in my life. Truly they are uniquely stupid.
imagine being a grown ass adult and taking the time to write this comment
My cats have learned the wirr motor sound of the feeder means food. So they'll run from whereever in the house at an motor sound. Suddenly like "it's food time right? Right? But the noise means food...." Regardless of any further context.
Same same but different with hexbear.
That's not a good sign for Ukraine in what is an attrition war. Even their own military is making plans to smuggle their men out if the country because they don't want to send them to the death trap that is the heavily reinforced WW1 like frontlines. And Zelensky's response is just to fire and try replace the people doing that, instead of looking as to why that is happening. If the counter offensive tactics are so dire that your own military is doing corruption to avoid sending men to the front, maybe that needs reassessment.
Zelenskiy said a state investigation into centres across Ukraine had exposed abuses by officials ranging from illegal enrichment to transporting draft-eligible men across the border despite a wartime ban on them leaving the country.
I don't think you're necessarily wrong, and I'm certainly no expert. However, I do know that Ukraine has long struggled with corruption, and has been making slow progress over the past couple of decades. And they will always have (there are always, in any conflict) a certain level of partisanship in their own ranks.
I've been mildly concerned about what could happen after the invasion; assuming Ukraine is successful, Zelenskyy's popularity could make it easy for him to transition into a dictatorship. However, so far I've seen little to indicate that he's anything other than a sincere, effective, and passionate leader -- I like the guy, and I'm inclined to trust his judgement. He's done unexpectedly well so far, and Ukraine under his leadership has been acting up to the highest ethical ideals of the EU.
Maybe Ukraine leadership is making a mistake, but maybe they know something us armchair Generals don't.
Ukraine under his leadership has been acting up to the highest ethical ideals of the EU.
I agree with this sentence but I think we have very different ideas of what the "ethical ideals of the EU" are.
Do you think they're different than the ones codified in Article 2?
Article 2 - Right to life
- Everyone has the right to life
Except those Russian orcs
- No one shall be condemned to the death penalty, or executed.
Sending conscripts to into the front lines instead of seeking a diplomatic solution is quite literally a death penalty
if you ukraine were to win the war (and they won't) whatever remains of their economy is going to be crippled by its accumulating debts. a lot of the 'aid' they've received—from the 'highly ethical' EU among others—consists of loans that are to be paid back in full and with interest.
and we already know what the cost of these foreign ''aid'' packages are; privatization (already well under way—ukraine even has their own website); austerity; lower wages; poorer working condition; a crackdown on labor rights and organizing (like banning left-wing parties in your country, which zelensky has already done), etc.
their economy is going to be crippled by its accumulating debts.
But Zelenskyy told me that Ukraine was going to reach a 1 trillion GDP in 10 years by deregulating, selling off public assets, and reforming social programmes. Are you really suggesting he would lie like that?
GDP is just a measurement of money exchanging hands, so I don't doubt that Zelensky, a man in the Pandora papers for money laundering could figure out a way to get their GDP to a trillion.
Ukraine under his leadership has been acting up to the highest ethical ideals of the EU.
Doesn't seem very ethical to me to ban your opposition parties for being left wing.
They didn't just ban them they also seized all their assets.
has been making slow progress over the past couple of decades
Zelensky was literally in the Pandora Papers lmao
No?
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/10/4/chinese-politician-in-pandora-papers-looked-to-trade-us-stocks
China’s only politician to be named in a sprawling investigation of millions of confidential financial documents known as the Pandora Papers is a female entrepreneur who the report says set up an offshore firm to trade U.S. stocks.
It's overly amplified by liberal propagandists, but there's at least enough of a connection to make a note of
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35962326
"Relatives" is a very purposely vague term to use
I have so many relatives that I've never met or only met less than 3 times
If the connections were close relatives even to first degree cousins, they would've said so
For a parallel the libs can understand: all other allegations aside, it's extremely clear that Hunter Biden wouldn't have been on the board of a Ukrainian gas company in the first place if his last name wasn't Biden.
You don't see his pandering to the EU as stumbling backwards into this whole situation in the first place?
I understand that it comes across as provocative, but from what I understand about his (attempted) maneuvering over the past couple years, he's kind of a spineless and weak leader who trusted the wrong side and got his country embroiled in a massive conflict.
NATO and the US are not trustworthy allies, and they let him talk up "Ukraine joining NATO ", a very dangerous thing to do, but I don't believe they had any intention of letting them in at any point. Zelensky should have understood this.
Ukraine is fucked. As others have pointed out, western vultures are already carving it up via mass privatization (though they may be disappointed with what’s left when the war is over). The “counteroffensive” went nowhere and whether Russia marches all the way to Odessa is really just a question of if they want to at this point. The war was lost before it started and Ukraine will be lucky if it doesn’t get annexed to pieces by Poland et al in the coming months. Best case it keeps some manner of territorial integrity and limps along as a failed state. Not sure Zelensky deserves all the blame for this disaster, as the wheels were in motion at least as early as 2014, but they definitely bet on the wrong horse here.
I've seen little to indicate that he's anything other than a sincere, effective, and passionate leader
Zelenski is a trained actor.
Did you see any signs Jack Gleeson wasn't a petty psychotic little shit in Game of thrones? He's actually a pretty cool guy in real life.
Are you comparing a fictional character in a fictional story to a person performing IRL? You're judging his performance in this crisis by hia previous career? Which careers pass your "ok to be voted into presidency" test?
No. I am comparing an actor playing a part to an actor playing a part.
Which careers pass your "ok to be voted into presidency" test?
Career doesn't matter. Its who holds their purse strings that matters. Same man who paid Zelensky the actor, paid for Zelensky the president's campaign. (and also funded neo-nazi paramilitary groups) Same boss. Just a bigger billing. Same job different character.
A question, do you truly think the Netherlands or Denmark would honestly let Ukraine join the EU? When they are already moaning about Romania and Bulgaria? Its a pipedream to sell Ukrainians on copium.
The people moaning about people from Romania and Bulgaria are neither the ones profiting from their cheap labour here nor are they who calls the shots on the matter
I don't know. The EU has been having a bit of a crisis, with candidates from several member states floating the idea of their own Brexits, financial struggles, and bad faith actors. I would hope that if Ukraine met the conditions for membership, then yes. It had been doing pretty well, financially and rule-of-law -wise; maybe not perfect, but steadily improving.
I was surprised by Trump, by Brexit, by the political successes of far-right politicians (Rachele Mussolonis) across Europe. I have no idea which way any of these countries will break.
Zelenskyy’s popularity could make it easy for him to transition into a dictatorship
Yes and no. His poll numbers surged from about 30% to 88% after the invasion but Ukrainians want a EU path and Dictator Zelenzkyy would be in the way of that. He could certainly win another term in a landslide and do a de Gaulle but I kinda doubt he's even interested in that, he certainly wasn't terribly ecstatic about it before the war and with how things are looking martial law is going to continue past the election date, that is, there's going to be no elections. Meaning that at the end of it all there's going to be a Zelenskyy who's first going to take a vacation, and then do another season of servant of the people. Opening scene: Goloborodko wins the elections against the incumbent, a comedian who saved the nation from calamity due to sheer stupid luck (something about an asteroid if I remember my season 1 right). Finally, someone with proper qualifications in office again, a history teacher!
Drafts should be considered a war crime against your own people. If you can't defend your country without a draft, it doesn't deserve to be defended because there are obviously not enough people willing to fight for it. Turning your citizens into slaves and sending them into the meat grinder makes you a monster.
Making education so expensive that the only way for some to pursue education is to die for their country is a crime. If majority of your citizen view being part of army is only for poor people, your country does not deserve to be protected because obviously not enough people willing to fight for it. Turning your citizens into slaves and sending them into the meat grinder makes you a monster.
You're right, but the economy forcing people into wage slavery is a separate issue that also needs to be addressed.
The problem is that it isn't a separate issue, it's the same body (Congress, with WH support) that imposes these problems and then offers "solutions" to the impacted population in exchange for acting as a jackbooted thug overseas.
I'm not sure there are no situations in which draft's are permissible. If we were in a socialist society and a fascist government invades and I were Commissar of War you bet your ass the ex-bourgeois are getting drafted.
I see your point, but that's a topic that should be up for discussion among your hypothetical Party/legislature. I don't think it has a clear answer.
100% agree. Me presenting it as a choice by a single Commissar for War is more tongue-in-cheek. The answer whether or we should do it is contextual but my point is that there are clear cases which I can imagine in which drafting would be clearly justified, even if of only certain groups.
But responding to a question of whether or not we should do something by saying it would be decided democratically is evading the actual question of what you would put forward or support as appropriate policy in such a scenario. If everyone one responded that way then nothing would be decided.
In this hypothetical wouldn't the boogies and Kulacks would be in Gulags already? A bunch would be willing to sign on if it meant they might get an early release after the war. No draft necessary.
I'm really not convinced that they would normally prefer to fight fascists on the front lines than to stay in a gulag, uncomfortable as the latter might be.
draft is precisly because of that necessary , its put a general price on "Imperial adventure" while proffessional army will recruit itself from the lower classes and can be spend easly (they choose soo ) , its a bad as its forces the underprivledge to die for an empire whos fruits the privledge eat , while avoiding the blood...
The elites will just dodge the draft anyway. At least without a draft, a sufficiently unpopular war is more likely to be shut down by people refusing to enlist. Also, you can't advocate for slavery by arguing that it solves some other problem.
Volunteer service means wars are waged outside of public consciousness now. The Afghanistan war went on for 20 years and was essentially invisible to most people in the US. The Fed openly trying to increase unemployment is at least partially motivated by the military recruitment issues going on right now. Volunteer wars are fueled by the lives of desperate poor people.
I don't have a strong opinion on the matter (nor do I support the draft in the sense of furthering imperial interests) but one effect of a draft is that it creates a class of anti-war, trained veterans both on the battlefield and at home. Which is pretty dangerous to institutional power structures if that demographic can't be kept satiated.
Wouldn't go as far to say the draft should be re-instituted in the US or that it's a good thing. just an interesting side effect of it sometimes
Absolute state of the world that the view that people should defend their country is facism. I'm sure the allies didn't see themselves as fascist in WW2
The allies didn't have a 'service guarantees citizenship' model, dipshit.
You don't think the allies out people in jail for not helping with the war effort?
Right tell me how every example of "you need to do something for your country to get citizenship" is fascism? Plenty have people have argued that you need to be educated to vote or to have land to vote or whatever. They are shit systems yes but they aren't fascism.
You're just using an over used internet buzzword. It's going to lose all meaning eventually.
They are shit systems yes but they aren't fascism.
Yes they are
yeah uh, nationalism is usually bad. imagine fucking dying for lines on a map. Imagine killing for them.
Yea what the Russians are doing is fucked. People just trying to live their lives and they come in and start killing and controlling.
was just minding its own business the same way Germany was in the 1930's
lol yeah bud history started the day putin ordered the invasion and nothing happened between then and oh i don't know, 2014
A bit fascist to assume that the only way to contribute to society is military service.
Dude "You should have to provide service to the abstract idea that is 'the nation' in order to get your human rights" is just fascism, no matter how you try to spin it.
To be protected by that country yes.
See how long you get to have your rights when you stop paying taxes or ignore the laws of the state
This nerd thinks that countries are real, and not just a legal fiction invented basically yesterday in historical terms.
starship troopers the movie was a literal send-up of fascism and you are sitting here arguing that we should do fascism so absurd it is the realm of actual parody
or you're advocating for the book's straight up fascism. either way, you should eat a bullet, nazi.
If you hate people leeching off the government, just wait until you hear about every single CEO and "Captain of Industry".
No you don't understand this actually means they're winning even harder putler St Petersburg slava unazi
Because they don't need any more recruits, right?
Because they don't need any more recruits, right?
I hope to God they get sent to the very fucking front. Every last one of them. It made me sick watching videos of these cowards kidnapping men on the streets, beating the shit out of them, then forcing them into the army while taking bribes from rich people to leave them alone. Then to watch videos of those brand new recruits getting obliterated in bradleys and MRAPS by artillery.
I seriously hope each of these fucking murderers steps on a land mine or gets their air and life ripped out of their lungs by a thermobaric rocket.
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Sunday.
we all love biden and our liberal queen hillary clinton, light itself 
