There was a person who was convinced that nobody actually enjoys music or art. They said everyone is just performatively pretending to enjoy these things for some reason. Or maybe everyone is just imagining their emotional responses to music/art, like some sort of mass delusion. I don’t remember all the particulars; this was a while ago.
I still kinda wonder if that person was just a really good troll
I remember replying to them. This was back in the very beginning Chapo chat days. Very weird account.
Lots of these opinions pop up when you start talking about Rothko
I completely do not recall who said this so I can't vouch for activity or not.
But my favourite obscure hot take was during urban planning discussions and someone gave a very spirited description of how there should be absolutely no personal kitchens in apartments, so that communal canteens could be used to socially engineer the people into more virtuous cuisine choices(not primarily in terms of vegan v meat but like regional cuisines.)
Don't recall exactly the following reactions but I do think there was some revisions to the original idea after people pointed out that this would probably end up either killing people with allergies, or result in segregation based on medical conditions.
Came here to post this, they were so certain that nobody actually enjoys making their own food, they refused to acknowledge that anyone might want to make their own meals
I love making food. What we need is a commune dedicated to washing my dishes.
The Communists built a giant dishwasher to put all their dirty dishes into instead of wasting all their water like god-fearing individualsWhat we need is a commune dedicated to washing my dishes
I want to build a robot to do it for me
More advanced. I want it to clean off any food, sort dishes, dry them and put them back in the shelves and drawers
I mean, if you took a shift in the communal kitchen they would probably have exactly that machine.
I’ve thought for a while that if you could physically scale down dishwasher tech, it could be placed directly into the cupboards with some sort of waterproof container so that the storage place was also the washing and drying place. So when you’re done with a dish you just put it back and it washes itself
you just need a simple prewash (holding the plate out for a dog to lick it clean) and then the wash is easy
Yes please lmao I just finished the dishes now, that stuff sucks
At least one person on here says they enjoy dishes more than cooking, so get them in the commune
here should be absolutely no personal kitchens in apartments, so that communal canteens could be used to socially engineer the people into more virtuous cuisine choices(
absolutely deranged
I hope they were banned for being cringe.
For sure the dude who kept making accounts with names based on Hanna Barbera cartoons who was really fucking pissed off at women enjoying pumpkin spice things. I think about them every fall now and it's right around the corner. Such a silly thing to get irrationally angry at, especially on hexbear, like you think we're going to tolerate you shitting on women because they won't fuck you?
- Show
"What a little bratty shit"
"Fuck you, I am a fucking man."
If you’re interested, here’s his original account and a couple alts he made:
https://hexbear.net/u/twitter
https://hexbear.net/u/YabbaDabbaDooDoo
https://hexbear.net/u/GayOldTimeEdit: Found another one!
https://hexbear.net/u/FredFlinstoneScrolling through u/twitter they seemed like any other poster, until one little thing sticks in their craw and suddenly they're posting mysogynist and hobophobic slurs and fucking death threats??
Ah, there it fucking is
violent homophobia
Dan White did nothing wrong and cleaned out filth
America needs thousands of Dan Whites
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_White
yikes100%. They were a long time wrecker and apparently for no reason other than pumpkin spice lattes
My memory sucks but I remember them being mad at women for making all things pumpkin flavored or something? It was incoherent as you'd guess.
lol, i watched that one happen in real time since it started in the megathread, a user had been posting for a bit about how she liked PSL and how some of the jokes about PSL sounded kinda misogynistic, then twitter said only white woman care about it then the user just posted an article in food comm about the link of PSL and misogyny and twitter had a meltdown because he saw the post as a personal attack on him
Its hard to track them down now. Has anyone made a compilation yet?
Careful, mentioning the anti-natalists summons them
the guy who didn't believe that people actually enjoyed music
"Nazi concentration camp guards were just working class Joes who wanted free college" is an all-time banger.
7DeadlyFetishes
BMF just had a penchant for ragging on anarchists.
BMF
BMF is way up there in the all time leaderboard of posters. One of this site’s greatest, and we banned them. Societies inevitably fall because they don’t know what’s best for them, and yet we live in one
I always hold out hope that maybe, one day, the
that is assigned to spy on BMF and lace their water with LSD will have a change of heart, but alas, this is too much to ask of hellworldBmf should have been allowed a little sectarianism as a treat
Is everyone on r/redscarepod a pickme racist who thinks talking like a mean girl bully actually improves their most likely disgusting physical appearance?
He's on Twitter but he mostly posts about bad takes by gun owners on Reddit
I occasionally see them on Twitter. I don't follow them, but I forget to mute or block them, so each time it's a surprise.
No, BMF only got "banned" because they kept being hostile towards anarchists. After that BMF begun making alt-accounts
I think every time he’s been banned it was for sectarianism against anarchism
this is what i was thinking of in mine but you remembered it in better detail than me lol
basically nazis were just following orders and marijuana feminizes men were two that were funny to see on this site lol
There’s been a few instances of apologia specifically relating to the OG German nazis, but the floodgates really open when it comes to discussing US murderers overseas
I think 7deadlyfetishes was banned for saying something like Nazi Concentration Camps guards were just following orders.
yep, funnily enough he was the one that brought up the nazis and defended the SS soldiers for following orders (an army made up of volunteers) when they were talking about US soldiers during the vietnam war
I mean... They literally were. Do people who bring that up think it absolves the Nazi rank and file? Isn't the point that they suck for following the orders? I don't get it.
I think they think: “Well, in the military/police/security, they break down you down and teach you to just be a mindless drone that just follows orders”. Which is true, but that doesn't mean that gives you the right to go around killing and torturing literally innocent people and children because some general gave you orders. Besides, comparing that to American soldiers during the Vietnam War? How on earth can that make the US look any better?
The Nazis were literally ordered to kill Jews and put them in concentration camps. Many of the SS guards and soldiers were literally volunteers and not conscripted like most American soldiers. Some people inside the Nazi German army deserted to join the Western Allies or the Soviets (either because they were opportunists, communists, liberals or they were conservatives but were against the war or genocide). So the people who were inside the Nazi army were there because they wanted to be there and they knew exactly what they were doing.
As with most fash excuses, it's all just hand waving.
I want to see the marijuana feminization one, that sounds particularly funny
It was haz’s old account I don’t remember the user name now
Yeah he mostly posted his own videos and stuff and was like “wow this guy is spitting right guys??” And when people were like “no he’s is a chauvinist idiot” he’d take it really personally and argue so people figured it out eventually.
Do you remember the user, during the early Chapo chat days, that got their account banned because they kept down voting pinned/featured posts? They down voted every pinned or featured post because they didn't like them appearing on their feed. This was back when some idiots kept down voting every trans positive post. A pinned post was then made highlighting this, pointing out that users who continue to down vote anything trans positive would be banned. Then a trans positive megathread was made. They proceeded to down vote the megathread and get banned.
I remember they made a new account to discuss and dispute the ban and on that new account immediately downvoted the pinned post and got banned for it again
They went down with the ship lol, really sticking to the principle of down voting any pinned thread
This was a moderator and they were also banned for constantly derailing conversations in mod chat, calling for poster unionization (still don’t know what this means), and calling for admin elections (as in server stewardship switching hands). I remember a lot of weirdly passive aggressive behavior in general as well.
Remember DroneRights? They seemed to be genuinely mentally ill so I don’t want to make fun of them, but right before they got banned they tried to make some argument about how reality didn’t exist, like it’s just a social construct. Wild stuff.
I lurked the Soulist Discord out of curiosity and my conclusion was that DroneRights is sincere and deeply cringe
Yeah DroneRights was promoting it on blahaj a while back. I'd link it but you have to apply to get in, and these are tulpa/otherkin type people who I think are mostly impressionable teenagers.
Yeah, that’s what I remember. “Disagreeing with my crank ideas is ableism” or something like that. I want to believe it was trolling, but trolling requires that at some point you acknowledge you’re trolling so that people know that they got trolled. If you never let on that you’re trolling then you’re just doing the thing.
“Disagreeing with my crank ideas is ableism”
This take is had weekly on this site
anarcho-antirealism, drone made a website for it and is still kicking around lemmy http://soulism.net/
Wasn't DroneRights the poster that was saying they had antisocial personally disorder and trying to pass it off as neurodivergence?
Yeah, imo it would.
I think what was tough with dronerights was that they demanded that everyone interacting with their posts use their odd and esoteric frameworks, or you would be accused of discriminating against their way of being and thinking. They had a way of weaponizing a lot of things people would say, even though people would engage in really good faith with their really fucking strange ideas
It is not. A neurotype is a trait that you are born with. Whereas personality disorders are a result of trauma and other life factors, and developing problematic reactions to it. It does result in brain changes, but so does any other mental health disorder. You can think of it as external influence vs natural traits. This is in part why personally disorders can't be diagnosed until adulthood.
I've seen stuff that isn't strictly like genetic/developmental included in the neurodivergence umbrella before, but either way that just seems like a relatively standard semantic disagreement, you kinda phrased it like some kind of deceptive act.
Are we talking colloquial or scientific classification? If it's the first, it is just semantics. I'm not clear on your reading it as me portraying it as a deceptive act. I should be clear, it is not and I do not endorse such ideas.
Phrasing it as "passing it off as" and bringing it up in a thread of hot takes in general gave off that impression to me, it felt like a relatively minor detail, but I didn't mean it as a direct accusation, just mainly trying to get a sense of what you meant by mentioning it.
Oh, okay! Yeah, I did actually mean that specifically in regards to DroneRights, the individual. I only responded inside my inbox and kinda forgot the context of the thread. DroneRights is a jackass who wants to accuse anyone who doesn't agree with its antisocial behaviors as bigoted. There's plenty of people who have APD who don't behave this way and work on genuine personal growth.
A neurotype is a trait that you are born with. Whereas personality disorders are a result of trauma and other life factors, and developing problematic reactions to it.
IMO, it seems problematic to exclude personality disorders (PD) from the neurodivergent umbrella and neurodivergent solidarity.
-
The personality in PD refers to personality traits. PDs are typically understood as chronic conditions, which, even if they are triggered/exacerbated by trauma and other life factors, means that someone with a PD will probably experience severe and persistent difficulties in different areas of their life and across their lifespan. Living with a PD and managing the difficult experiences that PDs create is a lifelong process. And PD's are not diagnosed until adulthood specifically to avoid over-diagnosing trauma responses as disturbances in personality traits.
-
Different kinds of trauma and other life factors contribute to most kinds of neurodiversity, as supported by the explosive rise in rates of diagnoses like autism and ADHD (especially late diagnoses in adulthood).
-
Personality disorders are heavily stigmatized already, and I can't help but think that excluding people with PD's from neurodivergent solidarity is rooted in stigma (i.e., that people with PDs are too abrasive, unstable, rude, etc.). I think that drawing lines around which psychological diagnoses are considered ND or not reflects and reinforces stigma.
I agree with the spirit of what you're saying here, we need solidarity amongst marginalized groups. But scientific classification doesn't back up your opinion on the semantics here.
Thank you for neatly ordering your points, I'll address them in kind.
#1 - Personality disorders are not organic things you are born with, they can and often are successfully treated. They can be long lasting and even life long, but proper treatment can result in full remission. A neurodivergence itself is a genetic brain structural deviation from the average that can only be worked around/compensated for to help improve one's quality of life - but the fundamentals of their brain structure does not change. To put it another way, we could say that a person's personality becomes disordered.
#2 - Trauma does not contribute to the development of a neurodivergence, but it does exacerbate negative outcomes and hurts people's ability to adapt to their difficulties. There's typically higher rates of diagnoses in homes that have a lot of traumatic events because these homes usually don't have the resources to help them adapt or mask. This is not a causal role, and there is no difference in brain structure between these cohorts. The increase in diagnoses is due to increased public knowledge and less stigma.
#3 - This gets to the heart of what we're going back and forth on - basically it's semantics. I'm looking at this as official classifications - neurodivergence being the thing that you're born with vs. brain changes that happened due to trauma post birth (neurological stress responses). We should probably develop a better single word term for these conditions... maybe there is one but it's escaping me if there is. Classification of conditions for treatment isn't intended to divide groups to be stigmatized, but unfortunately it does get used by people to sew division. There's terms that neurodivergent people, people with personality disorders, and people with other stigmatized conditions all fall under - "marginalized people" among many other ways of saying it. I'm not advocating for exclusion of people with PDs from our solidarity, it's just a different type struggle that they face with close parallels to neurodivergence.
I hope that all makes sense.
As for DroneRights... it was trying to excuse its shitty behavior and calling people bigoted if they disagreed. I'm not going to support someone who's trying to be a wrecker because we're both marginalized.
-
There was a user, like in the first 12mths of the site, who popped up at least twice (the second time with a new account) to suggest the solution to California's water problems should be a pipeline from the great lakes. And they seemed to really thought it was a good idea beyond simple trolling.
And they kept arguing back when people pointed out how that wasn't possibly legally or politically as there's treaties between the USA and Canada. That it wasn't practical in terms of cost or logistics. That it would damage the ecosystem of the great lakes. That California would be fine if they just stopped water intensive crop farming and recycled water (even before considering solar powered desalinisation).
And they weren't like a lib (or more than any of us). Their answer to things like treaties or costs was often things like "well after a socialist revolution there won't be a Canada and USA with those treaties" or "we could build this pipeline with a centrally planned economy" etc
Then their answer would be something like "but under communism we'll have better pipes that don't leak"
I can't help but think this take was partially inspired by that weird Geo-engineering project the Soviets half tried to do where they were gonna reroute a bunch of rivers in Siberia to give western Russia more water.
Or South Africa with the Lesotho Highlands Water project where there's a plan to pump a ton of water from Lesotho to Gauteng.
Yeah like Geo-engineering is not inherently bad (or good). But it was such an impractical plan. Especially when California could sustain itself with by taking back all the water rights from certain farms, recycling and desalinating (which would be a huge project but not as huge as pipeline thousands of miles long that goes through the rocky mountains).
Sounds more like stupid MAGACOM dipshits that basically gussy up resource taking and imperialism in fake-communist terms, i.e. stealing a bunch of Native/Canadian water for the inefficient capitalist hordes in California.
I don't like this being laughed at because the user was being sincere. Maybe it wasn't taken the way they wanted it to be, but it I do remember them saying it wasn't IBS specifically and something different. Probably came from a moment of personal frustration and wasn't made to be a big deal either (as it was completely dropped after the reaction)
"It has plugins for Wolfram Alpha, giving it many analytical tools."
Yeah, it's from this old thread. The person was arguing that ChatGPT is very smart - smarter than many people the bazinga knew in real life even. When someone pointed out that it is incapable of actually understanding or analyzing anything, they clapped back with that absolute brain genius take.
Kudos to @silent_water@hexbear.net for using her subject matter expertise to shut down the STEMlord.
Maybe, but the phrase "It has plugins for Wolfram Alpha, giving it many analytical tools" is permanantly etched into my brain because of that thread. It's up there with "preemptive last resort".
