More dataisdepressing than dataisbeautiful
I sometimes think they turn conservative because women won't date them.
I'm pretty sure women don't want to date people who have any sort of disposition that leans towards hating them or believing that women are lesser than men.
Unfortunately, a lot of men learned that way of thinking early in life(from family and/or media) and it ruins any attempt at a relationship, then they blame women and run to the very people who set them up to fail for validation, or find new ones like that sex trafficker with the pizza boxes, or that canadian psychologist who sugar coats sexism online. Repeat ad nauseum.
In the age of social media I imagine people are actually a lot more antisocial than we used to be…. And if young men and young women are all online more now and actually go out to interact in person less than we used to, this would make it a lot more difficult for young men to interact with the young women long enough to ask them out….
Online is heavily skewed in women's favor unfortunately. I had a female coworker that had 100+ matches on bumble and kept complaining how hard it was too keep track of. She wasn't even very pretty and she had an empty pot for head. Meanwhile male coworkers really struggle. No surprise This will make some males bitter and lash out. Even if they do find a partner Worst part is if the social skills are bad it is a bad relationship. I hope we are not seeing a universe 25 style collapse.
I wasn’t specifically talking about online dating, but women are generally more desired by men than vice versa, whether online or in person.
I can’t imagine online dating to be useful than for more than a handful of people in my opinion.
I was more saying since we are all online more, we are all interacting in person a lot less, which allows for more organic interactions…
Yeah I agree. Wanting to Go back the good old days is what is causing this trend. Though Realistically all the social skills in the world won't bag you the girl if you are average right now. I knew a few coworkers that wouldn't even talk to a guy unless he was a 666 man. 6 figures, 6 feet, 6 pack. No surprise they are single. I wonder if their POV changed overtime, they were in early 20s at the time. I know my old roommate lowered her standards super hard over 30 to bag a husband.
Anecdotal evidence is not the same as actual data across populations
The Sample size is rather small from personal experience. I am curious if such data exists.
I don’t think I understand what you are saying. Data does exist.
Taller men are generally seen as more attractive.
Wealthier people, or people who pay attention to the latest trends in general are seen as more attractive.
Healthy and fit people are generally seen as more attractive.
All of this is true, but so what. If someone is hyper focused on getting a man or woman to be with them who has these or other specific physical and / or socioeconomic traits, isn’t that for them to decide?
If you only want to date women who have been on the covered of the sports illustrated swimsuit edition, isn’t that your choice also?
What’s your point?
We sort of drifted from orignal topic. Typical for me lol. I guess the point is as human society shifts more online those that don't have any of the features you mentioned in the previous post are hit the hardest in finding a mate. Also in turn lack of focus in social skills will make any relationship less successful. This sudden shift is likely a factor for the reactionary trend. History in 30 years is going to be "fun" unfortunately.
Those who don’t have the traits should avoid online dating.
That’s all that means. Meet and interact in person with real people.
If you can’t meet and interact in person with real people then yes, you will struggle to find a partner.
We are spending time on social media, but we aren’t really being social. That’s my point.
If you’re going to hyperfixate on the fact that you don’t have a six pack and are not tall then that is a you issue, not anyone else’s problem.
I can’t remember which app it was, but I tried online dating over a decade ago. I noticed I wasn’t getting very many responses to any messages I sent out, and it was basically after saying yes to everyone and I had spent some time on the app, so I got to the point where I just messaged everyone a generic opener….
I talked to my female roommate at the time and I got a couple generic photos of her, she was a young mid 20’s woman who was very pretty but idk average for a young beautiful woman.
I created a new profile for myself, and also a second profile for her, I let her choose the most attractive photos of me and I chose some dorky not very attractive but still cute I guess photos of her….
She had ten messages before we were even able to upload the first photo after just creating the account.
This doesn’t mean that she got messages from guys who were someone she would consider dating. It just means she got a lot of messages. I think guys don’t realize how many messages the women get. They have to wade through hundreds of “hi how are you doing” messages before they can even start a conversation. Whereas the guys have to send out messages that are unique and capture the attention of ladies to get a conversation started. Neither is ideal, it’s just how it is
That's very true and likely why she felt so overwhelmed. No one is really winning. She would have had a really good match in there but drowned in a sea of options.
In this case we only left the app open for a couple hours that afternoon before we deleted it, but it’s just anecdotal evidence that show if we are specifically talking about online dating the problems are just as bad for either sex if we are talking about cis heteronormative relationships
A really sad point. Though I think drowning in option is better for self esteem than 0. If males had plenty I doubt we would see such a trend.
Drowning in strawberries when you are allergic to strawberries is not very good for your health
I dunno if that would be being allergic to strawberries so much, since most of these services have options for only seeing women if you're also a women. The gay dating market in general seems much healthier, ime. It's more as though you were drowning in strawberries, and then maybe one out of a twenty or twenty-five wasn't rotten at the face, or, maybe one in twenty wasn't a clone of the same five or six kinds of strawberries that you keep seeing. It's ultimately the same problem for both sexes, though. An overabundance, and a lack of real ability to distinguish between everything because of both a glut and a drought of overly flattened data leads to a kind of processed apathy out of sheer volume. Then, neglect leads to desperation, and then for some, to resentment, and so on and so forth. What I really don't understand is that for mostly purely cultural reasons there's such a massive and self-reinforcing disparity, it's kind of insane. There has to be a further underlying cause there than just like, 20 or 25% of men are desperate freaks and that sort of plunges everything into a downward spiral where everyone is sort of putting on this elaborate game of lying to each other because of a couple bad actors. Makes it kind of impossible to deal with any of this if you're autistic, to be honest.
Online dating is probably a bad idea. I’m pretty sure the number one criteria is looks, because that’s all you really have to go on for the most part.
If you care about more than just looks, meeting people in person is going to be the way to go.
I guess if you are an introvert you might struggle in person, but the connections you do make will be that much more valuable.
A lot of connections online are superficial and if you can delete your whole relationship with someone with one click of a button, you probably didn’t have any kind of authentic relationship in the first place.
I wonder if progressive/conservative is what the charts are getting at. Heck, I wonder if we could even put it in terms of Welzel’s Democratic/protection values.
When I think of all the women & girls in my life that I care about, I remember that I could never be a conservative. It would be a betrayal.
Assuming this is accurate, I'm pleased to see men in the UK bucking the trend.
People like you are why we cannot discuss political ideas without being put into a bucket and given some horrific label. Being conservative doesnt make u sexist some conservative views are sexist same as some progressive view are sexist. Stop spouting hate like politics is a football team and practice critical thinking where you can take ideas from all perspectives.
shit sucks which primes people for radicalization and The Algorithm basically pushes men to be chud shitheads (which doesn't really work for women because who is going to listen to "become a baby machine" and think YEAH, BET)
You'd be surprised, until they encounter what that actually means and will mean for them specifically - some conservative women trick themselves into thinking they'll be given an exemption. Or they really just don't what it means until someone like Crowder is brow-beating them and not letting them leave
Then you get the women who hate ethnic minorities, foreigners, sex-positivity, other religions that aren't their own denomination, and LGBTQ+ people more than they hate sexism. They will put up with misogynistic bullshit if it means they get to be racist and homophobic.
There's probably more of the former, though. Like you say a lot of them trick themselves into "being the exception," often because their partner is nice to them specifically.
Is that the reasoning for bombing civilians to smithereen across the globe if they are under something you see as a dictatorship - they doesn't count?
As long as none of the civilians is a white cishet capitalist man, who cares?
Not one of the billion people who live in China have an opinion, interesting.
You really are a well-trained, long-since-housebroken dog aren't you
Difficult to assess this info without knowing how the data was created.
Also hard to believe the American average is +20 leaning lib. The country is represented by a fascist party and a centrist party, and anything more left than the centrist party is considered "far left".
The Y axis here is not an absolute international political compass. It measures which political party each person favors, and judging by that country's local standards categorizes that party as either left or right.
A rising number in the US chart means a larger number of people prefer democrats over republicans. It doesn't mean that people's stances are necessarily moving further left. Similarly, it's no coincidence that the inflection point where UK numbers rise by a lot correspond to Brexit: the party seen as responsible for the unpopular change lost a lot of support, but that doesn't mean the population has so sharply moved drastically more progressive in such a short time.
The US population is largely some variety of “liberal” meaning vaguely left. The problem is the structure of our government favors land, not population.
Hey look if you start taking away white male privilege they freak out when they find out people of other races, genders and creeds are better than them, who knew?
I'm surprised most comments here try to give any other explanation but this.
This is probably more of a symptom than a cause, but social media platforms pushing manosphere content isn't helping.
I recon its both, looks like the symptom makes the cause more potent makes the symptoms worse.
Rapid increases in the productive forces of South Korea has resulted in a progressive population of women and a hyper-reactionary population of men, the increase in productive forces was so rapid it caused a hyper-sharpening of contradictions with tradition.
Fascism is sociologically rooted in the sexual insecurity of men. That's why it's always men driving it.
Fascism is Capitalism in decline. Masculinity is a recognized part of fascism, but fascism is rooted in Capitalist decay, not in moral failures of men.
Women live in the same declining capitalistic society as men, yet they are far more resistant to fascism. That's not to say there is something wrong with men or masculinity. Society puts different pressures on men and women so they react differently.
Masculinity by your argument is also rooted in the development of vaccines, all of the aspects of technological progress, and also all progressive social movements that have resulted in more equitable distribution of political power, ie voting rights act, giving women the vote, etc.
I mean, if history lessons in Italy taught me anything, the 'super uomo D'Annunziano', "D'annunzio" and the original italian 'fascism' are pretty much linked.
So facism is mens fault? I wonder how that effects a young man who isnt a facist while they are developing? Ur narrative is actively harming young men and driving them to be the very thing u swore to drstroy.
This is insulting as fuck. I grew up as a boy with plenty of reactionary beliefs because patriarchy is a fucking prison. And as I got older and got called out for it, you know what I didn’t do? Become a fucking fascist. I wasn’t pushed towards fascism. I was already reactionary and fascism would have required less work of me. That’s not the same thing. And it lets people off the hook to suggest otherwise.
Ok so ur smart enough not to be a fascist congratulations for achieving the bare minimum. Do u think most people are bright enough to go "ohhh yeah fascism is my fault because of the gender i was born i shall apologise for my genders ancestors actions" or do they go "no fuck you and fuck everything you stand for"?
ohhh yeah fascism is my fault
I mean if the shoe fits
because of the gender i was born
it's this aggrieved "wah poor me for being born a man" shit that makes people disregard your bullshit in the first place. whatever happened to masculinity being defined by setting your jaw, gritting your teeth, and fixing your own fuckeries before they could adversely harm your surroundings?
i shall apologise for my genders ancestors actions
literally the bare fucking minimum a cracker could do and you phrase it like it's an impossible fucking pipe dream. and you wonder why people disregard and avoid bullshit peddlers like you.
christ, our species is cooked if you're an example of the kind of man the future has to look forward to
How is it insulting? I didn't say it was you. Fascism is a social phenomenon driven almost entirely by men. That doesn't mean all men are fascists, or that there is something wrong with masculinity. It's about certain men in certain situations reacting in what is an entirely predictable way. It is perhaps an insult to fascist men, but I'm comfortable insulting them.
No, it's not "men's" fault, but the people who's fault it is are primarily men. That's not an opinion, that's just history, not to mention what's happening before our eyes. Even women who are fascist push patriarchy. There is no point in debating whether fascism is primarily a male driven phenomenon. The only legitimate question is why?
to the privileged, equality is oppression. And therefore more pushback to maintain the status quo
I’d be curious to see data outside of the “International Community”
We might as well be Martians with how they talk about us.
The important thing here is to know how did they measure young people's political ideologies. I wouldn't expect it was self-perceived as currently, people have a hard time admitting they are conservative compared to admitting they sympathize with a conservative party.
If it was determined by a questionnaire, it would be interesting to see what questions were included. Maybe the questions weren't well planned and that's it. Maybe they equalled feminist takes to
progressiveliberal ones, which is something that can be discussed. In this case, I would be picky about the origin of the graphics.That's why there are so many incels conservatives and more lesbians, the numbers talks from themselves.
Why does everything appear to appear at +15 across the board just before 1990?
Rise of Streamers. Uneducated man childs giving advice to teenage boys, while "living the life"...
Imagine an angsty teen with blue balls hearing the opinion on women from his idolized, expensive car driving, pumped up tattooed narcissist how to pick up girls every evening.
That shit is toxic populism in times with lots of uncertainty about the future.
My guess (based on no hard facts, bust purely speculation): This statistic is for the age group of 18-29 year old. Young people tend to be more liberal and grow more conservative as they age.
There might also be a political or economic component, but i think age is the primary reason why these graphs mostly show a liberal bias for the samples.
So many men who will never get a girlfriend and not understand why. Social media influencers were a mistake.
Anyone wanna take bets that the datatrend will change once we have fully functional Gynoids?
