not voting for trump but low key hope biden doesnt win so the material conditions of a failing America will be on full display

  • Owl [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Biden:

    • Slow the fall of material conditions

    • Much better for minority Americans, not because he'll do something, but because he won't encourage non-state violence

    • Will kick off at least one imperialist war

    • Nation still in crisis in 4 years

    • Democrats will not place a primary challenger, despite Biden having no chance of winning reelection

    • Next president will have similar positions to Trump but will be more competent

    Trump:

    • Accelerate

    • Brownshirts are going to kill people

    • Wants imperialist wars, but unable so far to actually execute them

    • Will attempt to end democracy, might succeed

    • If we somehow make it to the next election, the next president will be a New Deal style dem

    Revolution:

    • Obviously better

    • Doesn't matter who's president

    • Assuming it's the most likely outcome doesn't absolve you from figuring out the right choice for the potential futures where it doesn't come

    • Bedandsofa [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I think people really overestimate the extent to which a Biden administration is going to be able to slow down the worldwide crisis of capitalism.

      • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]
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        4 years ago

        Big time. Biden is a dottering fool who will bring with him the best talent and funding the professional political consultancy circuit has to offer - and still, I think his administration will snap like a twig under the sheer social and economic forces at play here. Everyone seems to think Biden will come in and satiate everyone with faux-progressive rhetoric and modest reforms the way Obama did, but Biden is no Obama, we fell for that trick once already, and the conditions today are entirely worse.

        • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          the best talent and funding the professional political consultancy circuit has to offer

          Not saying much here. If anyone attracted "the best talent," Obama did, and look how much they managed to fuck up.

      • Corbyn [none/use name]
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        But even stagnation would be better then acceleration. Of course, only if you aren't an accellerationist.

        • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          Acceleration is only a good idea if you're ready to handle whatever it is you're accelerating towards, and I don't think the left is anywhere near organized enough for that. Things are bad enough that people are being radicalized right now -- radicalizing more people and organizing them under an impotent Biden presidency is probably a better bet than going full fascist and hoping the nascent left can figure it out on the fly.

        • Bedandsofa [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Yea, I think even stagnating that process would require a Herculean effort, and it's more likely that Biden actively plays into the conditions for further crisis.

          • Corbyn [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            I don't think he will lead to anything positive, but personally I take an ineffective fight against global warming, and many billions of dollars, over fighting for more global warming, more deregulations and more cuts. There is no possible positive outcome.

      • Owl [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        He won't have any affect on the increasing exploitation of the working class and declining conditions as power is shoveled towards capital.

        But he's not ideologically opposed to listening to experts, so he'll do better at managing the pandemic, natural disasters, that sort of thing. (And by he, I mostly mean the cabinet and VP that the party selects for him, since he's a senile old man.)

        • Bedandsofa [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          I'm pretty sure this is spam based off some bullshit that I'm not going to pay attention to, but your post made me think about how I actually have no idea what John Kerry's voice sounds like despite being old enough to remember that election pretty clearly.

    • Parzivus [any]
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      4 years ago

      What if Biden steps down/dies at some point while in office and his VP takes over? You'd have to expect whoever it is would have a better shot at re-election than he would.

      • Owl [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Biden's VP is going to have largely the same policy goals as he does, so the labor/capital tension will continue to increase, forcing socialism or barbarism, and it already was bad enough to elect Trump after eight years of Obama.