not voting for trump but low key hope biden doesnt win so the material conditions of a failing America will be on full display

    • spectre [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      It could be argued that this only becomes within the realm of possibility if there is no imperialist threat, which isn't a condition that has happened before (assuming that you are referencing the histories of past revolutionary/communist party-led states in your comment).

      • skeletorsass [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        It's also worth pointing out that suggesting that the state will intentionally destroy itself is substituting an anarchist understanding of the state into Marxism. The state isn't abolishing itself, it is abolishing the capitalist mode of production, which by necessity abolishes the conditions under which the state necessarily and naturally arises in a capitalist world.

      • pooh [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        I definitely agree with your point here, but I also think that the form of the transition matters a great deal. I often wonder if a future transition to socialism might be served better by focusing on eliminating capitalist class relations as opposed to imposing central control over markets. In other words, a form of market socialism with layers of worker and/or community control over workplaces and the economy, as opposed to a top down state capitalist system. The idea being that as the economic sphere is democratized, decentralized and democratic economic planning would be much easier to implement.

        • spectre [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          I am not really an expert, but my understanding is the Titoist Yugoslavia looks closer to what you are describing, might be worth researching (for both of us). I'd argue that the options for such a transition to socialism matter greatly on the material conditions that a given society, and while it can be enjoyable to discuss what we think the best way to do so is, being so prescriptive ends up deep in idealism instead of actual analysis of history that can better guide us forward.

    • DasKarlBarx [he/him,comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      I don't think it ever will, that's why I am generally an AnCom.

      "The main concern of the powers that be that people should continue to be in and uphold the existing system." - Berkman