Being gay is extra revolutionary cuz it doesn't create babies aka future wage slaves
artificial insemination wants to know your location
in addition, social reproduction involves way more than just mere b r e e d i n g. none of you are free from sin.
The question isn't Left Unity; it's determining which is the path forward for the party/movement, and do we work together in actions that some see as less than ideal (or outright hostile) from their perspectives, towards our common goals. Turning over Rosa to the government was, of course, a bad move; but with regards to the original split which facilitated the political conditions whereby that decision was made, did SPD have the political capital to resist the government's push towards war with the German working class? Could they reasonably expect similar support from the other socialist parties of Europe such that the war would be aborted before it began? Or did they assess, as their governments did, that slowing down or stopping mobilization would only lead to another Franco-Prussian war where one side got to the battlefield first and won without a contest (and all the known consequences thereafter, like the Paris Commune)? We know with hindsight that such intransigence against the government may have stopped the war in its tracts, or at least maintained moderate unity within the left, but we have the benefit of hindsight.
Basically, when is an issue non-reconcilable? We're human and prone to being biased and wrong, but even if both sides are "right" or internally consistent in their critique, it can still lead to splits. A bit of faith in our comrades, I'm sure, but too much faith and incomplete information can easily lead to an untimely death. I dunno, I got lots of questions and not a lot of answers.
Should the revolutionaries just accepted the decision to vote for the budget?
and that's why we need to show solidarity wi-
woah there pinko
:bruh:
The biggest :bruh: moment of the Sino-Soviet split was when China backed the US against Vietnam because they were big mad at the USSR.
Yup my bad. Though the real situation is even more confusing than what I thought lol
I think of left sectarianism kind of like this:
I refuse to work with my cellmate to escape from the prison I'm in. Why? Because once we've broken out of our cell, evaded the guards, escaped the prison grounds, avoided detection by the police, and escaped the country, he wants to open a restaurant while I want to be a farmer.
It’s more like:
I want to escape from prison but my cell mate keeps screaming and banging his head against the walls and making a bunch of noise, and sometimes he rats me out to the guards. There’s a group of hardcore prisoners here who specialize in breaking people out and have done it 40 times successfully. I’m going to leave my weird cell mate here and go with the guys who know what they are doing and have this down to a science.
We are not destined to have the exact same sectarian squabbles that previous generations of leftists had in wildly different contexts.
insert comment seeming to agree but with the message "anarchists never had a successful revolution" cleverly hidden in it.
I didn’t realize Lenin, Stalin, Rosa, Marx and every communist that mocked anarchism was a liberal
Modern anarchists are even more of a disjointed non-factor than in Marx’s day. Modern anarchists are pretty much exclusively only in the imperial core, and have made no progress since 1800.
Don’t you have an autonomous zone to plant some tomatoes in before you shoot some random black kids?
YOU are the ones who were racist and shot innocent black kids
More like banned for exposing your pathetic failures and embarrassing you
One must not allow oneself to be misled by the cry for “unity.” Those who have this word most often on their lips are those who sow the most dissension, just as at present the Jura Bakuninists in Switzerland, who have provoked all the splits, scream for nothing so much as for unity. Those unity fanatics are either the people of limited intelligence who want to stir everything up together into one nondescript brew, which, the moment it is left to settle, throws up the differences again in much more acute opposition because they are now all together in one pot (you have a fine example of this in Germany with the people who preach the reconciliation of the workers and the petty bourgeoisie)--or else they are people who consciously or unconsciously (like Mühlberger[*], for instance) want to adulterate the movement. For this reason the greatest sectarians and the biggest brawlers and rogues are at certain moments the loudest shouters for unity. Nobody in our lifetime has given us more trouble and been more treacherous than the unity shouters.
I hate sectarianism. The more I read about the Russian Revolution it is more and more apparent that solidarity was the key to success. And those who did not act in solidarity, their actions only played in the hands of the most violent reactionaries.
We gotta understand time isn't on our side, and socialists must unite. But we've also gotta make sure we remain accountable to the working class and work only in their interests.
Copypasta ahead
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Also I'm running out of original jokes, how can you tell?
Polpot was funded by the Cia though so Chomsky is at least consistent as controlled opposition
Chomsky didn't support Pol Pot, he criticized extremely hypocritical and misleading media coverage of the mass killings carried out by Khmer Rouge. Chiefly IIRC that they were decrying mass killings during the period when they were not taking place, and then went silent during the period they were due to Kampuchea becoming an ally of convenience.
I believe it was also about how western media basically ignored the atrocities carried out by Indonesia in East Timor during the same time period?
Yeah, not really my area but I remember reading about that a while back.
Didn't it basically boil down to the fact that Pol Pot actually did commit something like the hysterical bullshit accusations the US has accused every left wing govt ever of doing, and basically at the time Chomsky called bullshit on it but it turned out that yeah Pol Pot was doing some really evil shit?
I think they’ve made a turn for the better recently, but maybe I am ignorant of something
Their "we'll work with any country" realpolitik of today is alot better than the 70s era garbage foreign policy of supporting pol pot/invading vietnam, SSS, Etc.
To not criticize each other when going wrong or when posting really shit takes is the first kind liberalism.
To be a snide asshole about it for the sake of edgyness is the fifth kind of liberalism.
I like how his list of pet peeves gets taken as some deep theory or something.
The problem is with the concept of "deep theory" -- the idea that there's some immortal science that transcends its given time or place or set of material conditions.
Theory should be treated as a set of good ideas that still have considerable value today, but not as a body of infallible prophecy that means American politics in the 2020s will play out exactly like Russian or German politics in the 1920s (or Chinese politics in the 1930s and '40s, or Cuban politics in the 1950s, etc.). Occasionally leftist will lose sight of the former in favor of the latter.
yea there's a reason Marx and Lenin spent so much time dunking on other leftists
The anprim zine in the 90's that had a column glorifying mass casualty events because "nature is healing"
How the fuck do you type that fast.
On a lot of issues they are, but i think in some aspects it's viable to me.
In the most fundamental aspect they are reactionary. Socialism and leftism more broadly are about the furthering development of mankind, the social progress of development.
Primitive Communism -> Tribalism -> Agricultural Society -> Feudalism -> Capitalism -> Socialism -> Communism
If you reject this advancement and want to regress backwards to primitive communism, that is, by definition, reactionary and backwards. Let alone all of the implications of this (mass genocide, 99% of the population dying, trans and disabled people dying or being severely disadvantaged, collapse of all development and movements towards a non-predatory society)
I would say anprims are anti-human or deeply dumb, and are more reactionary than fascists and monarchists even.
Whatever, i'm not here to argue.
Edit: You guys can downvote me but if your assumption reading the comment i started off the thread this and the ones after that is that i support genocide i don't really know what to say.
Didn't understand the racism part then scrolled down further.
How is pointing out racism at CHAZ racist? It’s racist to mention race in any context?
No, it's my description of their long and tiresome explanation
Every time I have argued with someone who posts there I have a hard time believing they've ever been good friends with someone non-white.
Yeah totally fair. The only ones I've had the displeasure of arguing with have been centered around posts involving BLM or ICE.
On my first interaction with someone from there, It was like the height of the uprisings/riots and in the city's local daily protest sub I shared a White People 4 Black Lives deal of rules that were like "hey don't co-opt the protest" kind of deals and they couldn't get over the fact they were supposed to care about the protests if it wasn't for white people/the whole of the working class explicitly.
It was nuts.
I just argued with one on r/chicago about rent control being bad because of supply and demand. Like dude, wtf you're not even a leftist.
"Yeah communism is good but I want to keep being an insecure manchild."
Every time someone downvotes one of my clearly correct and accurate takes
:bruh:
The German revolution of 1919 failing.
If it had succeeded the communist block would have probably won or be in the process of winning the struggle against imperialism.
