Yes an extremely weak argument. Arguably not an argument. It's one of those emotional truths that seem to just be accepted as fact nowadays.
My inherited experience is one of living in Ukraine in the Pale. Being victims of pogroms and extreme violence in the russian empire until the soviets came to power and afforded my family opportunities that they couldn't have possibly dreamed of whilst living in extreme poverty in the Shtetl. Then having to deal with a bunch of nazis and nazi collaborator fucks for decades. That's only on one side of my family which was lucky, by the way. The other side had huge portions killed because of said nazi collaborators. So who's inherited experience is more valid?
Elevating a view point that is based on ignorance, vibes-based understanding of politics and economy, and--let's be frank--lies with the express purpose of silencing dissenting opinions is, in fact, not respecting everyone's experience. Sometimes certain voices need to shut the fuck up and listen to other's experiences because what they believe to be true is just something absorbed through passive ideological osmosis.
You also speak as if I don't frequently experience at least mild antisemitism when I express this perspective. I do, depending largely on where I am. A lot of people don't care about bandera nazis in Ukraine currently, so pointing to this nazi history tends to spark a bad response.
someone's personal anecdotes, especially anonymously given on the internet, without hard evidence to back it up, are meaningless in the face of data and detailed reports, this is a basic aspect of any serious research. it is absolutely absurd to accept everyone's interpretation of events equally given the material conditions that shape people's beliefs. the poster screenshotted lived through capitalism, not communism, and uses that time period to denigrate communism, even though it was not the dominant ideology at the time for a while. that is absurd, and recognizing that is not '''invalidating someone's experiences'''.
and then you randomly jump to defending ukrainian (alleged) nazi militias. Which group did you meet i wonder, and what would i find if i googled their history or iconography? like, it is an objective fact that many of the militias in the country are nazis and use nazi iconography and espouse beliefs identical to nazi beliefs, in addition to their war crimes against ethnic russians, jews, roma, LGBT people, and the disabled. there is ample UN reporting on this issue, and your nice, friendly interaction with these alleged nazis does not counter that.
My point isn't that my lived experience is more valid. My point, which I should have made explicit, is that lived, inherited, whatever experiences are inherently contradictory, so they are not useful alone. You have to look at the current and historical sociopolitical and economic situations in order to properly place testimony into context. Also it's a reddit post from a kid who is regurgitating half-baked information from their parents. It's not some important testimony about living conditions in the soviet union, its someone looking for attention.
Lots of fascists love Israel and zionism btw, it allows them to avoid accusations of antisemitism while pushing adjusted nazi propaganda and at the same time accuse others of antisemitism. So call the significant Ukrainian far right segments neo-fascists, banderites, ultranationalists, they are tied into the history of nazi reaction in Ukrainian history regardless of their current, individual stance on jews (plenty still hate jews). And not every Ukranian is a fascist, of course. Plenty of forced conscripts. Plenty of people who felt compelled to fight and have been callously sent into a meat grinder. I'm not really interested in maintaining the "brave defender" romanticized narrative bullshit. It ignores the realities of opinions of people living near the front on both sides, they don't care how things end up they just want the killing to stop. These deaths are in no small part the fault of the Ukrainian far right which has consistently escalated and refused to stop attacking the breakaway regions of Eastern Ukraine prior to the outbreak of the war. Regardless of how one feels about this war or Russia these ultranationalist groups have only worsened the situation and everyone would've been better off with them being jailed or executed by the state. Perhaps a peace accord with the DPR and LPR as federated entities within Ukraine, rather than a series of bullet ridden ceasefires.
inherited experience seems more valid than no experience at all or knowledge procured from period literature allowed by the censors
Let me just clarify something
Are you asking if feels you have because of genetic ancestry count more than documentary evidence?
Because that’s fucking nuts. Bonko crazy.
Or perhaps by “inherited experience” you mean second hand anecdotes? You know that documentary evidence is legally admissible and hearsay is not and for a good reason right?
It’s because “my grandma once told me when I was young” is an atrociously unreliable source of evidence whereas contemporary records are a profoundly reliable source of evidence.
I don't think many experts criticize the idea of communism - just the fact that it is impossible to achieve in reality and historical or even anecdotal evidence supports this criticism.
I mean the history of human civilization between the advent of class society and the 18th century also had no evidence to support the "real life" viability of liberal capitalist rule.
Even then, for the first century of its existence, if you consider the number of failed revolutions that saw re-establishment of monarchial/theocratic rule, its failure to liberate slaves, engaging in the same imperialist tendencies as feudal states, violently squashing dissent, the constant market crashes, the corruption of the ruling class, the failures of political leaders to adhere to the constitutional law that they themselves wrote etc...an observer living under a prospering monarchy in the 1800s could also very well say
Ha! Meet the new boss - same as the old boss.
Well yeah it sounds good on paper but doesn't work in real life.
I'm not criticizing the idea of liberalism, it's just that history shows that it always fails.
Then, when the old feudal powers, for a time, were able to innovate their structures to accommodate industrialization, (domestic) slavery abolition, and demands for suffrage, they might also also comment
See? The system works - just very slowly. We don't need any revolutionary reconstitution of society that could jeopardize the current stability that is working in my favor
These traps of thought termination can be avoided by studying the dialectical materialist analytical method developed by Marx and Engels (and continually expanded by later generations), derived from examining the interactions of socio-economic forces within Feudalism that birthed Capitalism, and applying that study to the historical development of liberal capitalist society to sus out the transformative tendencies that would come to dominate the next major epoch of human civilization, broadly conceptualized as Communism.
In short, Communism isn't simply a set of "wouldn't it be nice if..." ideas. It's an observation of the evolution of human relations. Sometimes specific branches die off like the Soviets and Parisian communards, but there isn't such a thing as a "perfect stage" that evolution stops for, and it certainly isn't Capitalism. That doesn't necessarily rule out some third alternative, but so far it has only materialized as fascism and techno-feudalism, and neither to a Marxist are changes at all because the productive relations remain strictly Capitalist.
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What are you talking about? What experts?
Source: random youtube documentary made with the same amount of academic rigor as "Ancient Aliens".
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Yes an extremely weak argument. Arguably not an argument. It's one of those emotional truths that seem to just be accepted as fact nowadays.
My inherited experience is one of living in Ukraine in the Pale. Being victims of pogroms and extreme violence in the russian empire until the soviets came to power and afforded my family opportunities that they couldn't have possibly dreamed of whilst living in extreme poverty in the Shtetl. Then having to deal with a bunch of nazis and nazi collaborator fucks for decades. That's only on one side of my family which was lucky, by the way. The other side had huge portions killed because of said nazi collaborators. So who's inherited experience is more valid?
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Elevating a view point that is based on ignorance, vibes-based understanding of politics and economy, and--let's be frank--lies with the express purpose of silencing dissenting opinions is, in fact, not respecting everyone's experience. Sometimes certain voices need to shut the fuck up and listen to other's experiences because what they believe to be true is just something absorbed through passive ideological osmosis.
You also speak as if I don't frequently experience at least mild antisemitism when I express this perspective. I do, depending largely on where I am. A lot of people don't care about bandera nazis in Ukraine currently, so pointing to this nazi history tends to spark a bad response.
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someone's personal anecdotes, especially anonymously given on the internet, without hard evidence to back it up, are meaningless in the face of data and detailed reports, this is a basic aspect of any serious research. it is absolutely absurd to accept everyone's interpretation of events equally given the material conditions that shape people's beliefs. the poster screenshotted lived through capitalism, not communism, and uses that time period to denigrate communism, even though it was not the dominant ideology at the time for a while. that is absurd, and recognizing that is not '''invalidating someone's experiences'''.
and then you randomly jump to defending ukrainian (alleged) nazi militias. Which group did you meet i wonder, and what would i find if i googled their history or iconography? like, it is an objective fact that many of the militias in the country are nazis and use nazi iconography and espouse beliefs identical to nazi beliefs, in addition to their war crimes against ethnic russians, jews, roma, LGBT people, and the disabled. there is ample UN reporting on this issue, and your nice, friendly interaction with these alleged nazis does not counter that.
https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf
https://press.un.org/en/2022/ga12483.doc.htm
https://press.un.org/en/2022/sc14823.doc.htm
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946
https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Countries/UA/Ukraine_14th_HRMMU_Report.pdf
https://www.state.gov/reports/2018-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/ukraine/
https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/05/02/the-historian-whitewashing-ukraines-past-volodymyr-viatrovych/
https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/white-supremacists-other-extremists-respond-russian-invasion-ukraine
https://thehill.com/opinion/international/359609-the-reality-of-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-is-far-from-kremlin-propaganda/
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/ukraine-s-got-a-real-problem-with-far-right-violence-and-no-rt-didn-t-write-this-headline/
https://cisac.fsi.stanford.edu/mappingmilitants/profiles/azov-battalion
My point isn't that my lived experience is more valid. My point, which I should have made explicit, is that lived, inherited, whatever experiences are inherently contradictory, so they are not useful alone. You have to look at the current and historical sociopolitical and economic situations in order to properly place testimony into context. Also it's a reddit post from a kid who is regurgitating half-baked information from their parents. It's not some important testimony about living conditions in the soviet union, its someone looking for attention.
Lots of fascists love Israel and zionism btw, it allows them to avoid accusations of antisemitism while pushing adjusted nazi propaganda and at the same time accuse others of antisemitism. So call the significant Ukrainian far right segments neo-fascists, banderites, ultranationalists, they are tied into the history of nazi reaction in Ukrainian history regardless of their current, individual stance on jews (plenty still hate jews). And not every Ukranian is a fascist, of course. Plenty of forced conscripts. Plenty of people who felt compelled to fight and have been callously sent into a meat grinder. I'm not really interested in maintaining the "brave defender" romanticized narrative bullshit. It ignores the realities of opinions of people living near the front on both sides, they don't care how things end up they just want the killing to stop. These deaths are in no small part the fault of the Ukrainian far right which has consistently escalated and refused to stop attacking the breakaway regions of Eastern Ukraine prior to the outbreak of the war. Regardless of how one feels about this war or Russia these ultranationalist groups have only worsened the situation and everyone would've been better off with them being jailed or executed by the state. Perhaps a peace accord with the DPR and LPR as federated entities within Ukraine, rather than a series of bullet ridden ceasefires.
hey hexers, you ever play "spot the the federated poster?" it's a really simple game, you just look for the dumb takes and, bingo
lol you got reported by daq
I love how user reports from federated servers go straight into the file shredder.
only the nonsense reports
IDK if you guys can see it but they also like to dehumanize children murdered by border patrol.
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Let me just clarify something
Are you asking if feels you have because of genetic ancestry count more than documentary evidence?
Because that’s fucking nuts. Bonko crazy.
Or perhaps by “inherited experience” you mean second hand anecdotes? You know that documentary evidence is legally admissible and hearsay is not and for a good reason right?
It’s because “my grandma once told me when I was young” is an atrociously unreliable source of evidence whereas contemporary records are a profoundly reliable source of evidence.
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I've inherited some experience and I'd like to share it with you:
spoiler
fart
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I mean the history of human civilization between the advent of class society and the 18th century also had no evidence to support the "real life" viability of liberal capitalist rule.
Even then, for the first century of its existence, if you consider the number of failed revolutions that saw re-establishment of monarchial/theocratic rule, its failure to liberate slaves, engaging in the same imperialist tendencies as feudal states, violently squashing dissent, the constant market crashes, the corruption of the ruling class, the failures of political leaders to adhere to the constitutional law that they themselves wrote etc...an observer living under a prospering monarchy in the 1800s could also very well say
Then, when the old feudal powers, for a time, were able to innovate their structures to accommodate industrialization, (domestic) slavery abolition, and demands for suffrage, they might also also comment
These traps of thought termination can be avoided by studying the dialectical materialist analytical method developed by Marx and Engels (and continually expanded by later generations), derived from examining the interactions of socio-economic forces within Feudalism that birthed Capitalism, and applying that study to the historical development of liberal capitalist society to sus out the transformative tendencies that would come to dominate the next major epoch of human civilization, broadly conceptualized as Communism.
In short, Communism isn't simply a set of "wouldn't it be nice if..." ideas. It's an observation of the evolution of human relations. Sometimes specific branches die off like the Soviets and Parisian communards, but there isn't such a thing as a "perfect stage" that evolution stops for, and it certainly isn't Capitalism. That doesn't necessarily rule out some third alternative, but so far it has only materialized as fascism and techno-feudalism, and neither to a Marxist are changes at all because the productive relations remain strictly Capitalist.
there's an essay for this