the rachel drama/hack, the pronoun struggle sessions, and now this (most likely) false accusation against beatnik show that there's a lot of asshats with no morality willing to use anything against the site, and we need to get a lot smarter and stop falling for it
Premature to declare the beatnik thing a fraud imo, but eh
Truth is its a website and its stupid to care about websites, its a podcast fandom reddit clone for looking at jokes; mod drama, user drama, or the things I post shouldn't be upsetting or concerning to anyone
Calling this a 'community' is weird and thinking of the people here as real people rather than bleep bloops is recipe for unhappiness and very much teenage behavior
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It may be a result of a capitalist reality, but it is reality nonetheless. Under communism I believe the internet would be different, but as it is, my way is the healthy and happy way to be.
This site is a content generation machine. The old sub was that, a small content cog part of a larger content machine that was reddit (ptew ptew). Content can be educational, emotionally effecting, humorous; you can be a content creator, doing bits and having arguments. You can try to effect the way the content is generated for the better. But its a reddit clone, and thats just what it is. As a community, it is fatally flawed even moreso than the old forums were back when the internet worked more like that, and even those were probably too flawed to be communities. As a content stream it is ok-to-middling
Yep. Treating it as anything else is just setting yourself up for trouble.
But then again, I do have schizoid personally disorder so ymmv.
"That's just the way that it is" is exactly the rhetoric that impedes progress. We have an opportunity to create a community here that is different from Reddit and Twitter. I like the people here, and I don't find that seeing it as a community makes me unhappy. Perhaps viewing it in the way that you are, due to the other spaces from where you've learned this behavior, is what's making you unhappy? I don't want to extrapolate too much and assume what you feel or believe, so please take it with a grain of salt. We want an inclusive and mutually respectable space that treats people as people, so don't be afraid to do the same (:
I'm unhappy because daddy used to beat me, it has nothing to do with this website
Creating an atmosphere of respect and ensuring everyone is comfortable posting here is one thing, and a laudible goal (although it would also be nice to be able to tell people to fuck off). But you want to feel comfortable at the theatre, the audience wants to be able to applaud or withhold applause, and the players want to be able to express their art. It would still be considered wrong if someone thought the characters on stage were real, if they couldn't tell that behind those characters the players may or may not really believe what they are saying.
I meant feeling unhappiness with regards to reading the posts here as messages from people rather than from fictional characters. Man, I'm sorry that your dad used to beat you. That fucking sucks.
My point is that it's unfair to assume people are actors on a stage playing characters if/when they are real people expressing real thoughts and emotions. It's an unsubstantiated accusation. It's invalidating and alienating.
Edit: fuck I can't figure out quotations
Actors are also real people, and their emotional expression can be taken seriously, but their characters aren't 'real'. Or take a standup comedian, they may be speaking as 'themself' but it is still a comic persona that you see on stage, the character of which is distorted by the medium, and you have to treat it as such. The medium of posting here - partially through the style differences between posting and actually talking, but mostly imo due to anonymity and the screen barrier - creates such a distortion, and the alienation is a result of that distorition, of failing to understand that it is a distorition.
The thing is, although alienation is a downside, this distortion also has upsides, like for example it allows people to be funnier, more raw, etc.
Yeah, that shit is exactly what's wrong with the hellscapes that are Twitter and Facebook. One could draw similarities to how people are way ruder to cars driving on the road until they're confronted with the actual person driving. I don't want ChapoChat to become like that too, so this sort of alienation is harmful.
Agree, take the grill pill, folks :grillman:
I'm actually just a bleep bloop
Its the best way to be, if I were a real person I wouldn't be making ever post with the aim of maximizing how annoying I can be, that is solely robot shit
Isn’t this board like 30% under 18? Teenage behavior is to be expected.
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To suggest purposely convincing yourself that posts here -- from real life people, with real emotions and lives -- are not real people as a coping mechanism is honestly pretty fucked. I certainly don't want to be viewed as a disconnected string of words. I'm a person. Care about websites or not, this website is full of people and made by people. As communists, we are for the people.
Please reconsider how this viewpoint alienates your fellow comrades.
I don't know if you are a communist, I assume like I assume with most (excluding the anarchists) here you are someone who labels themself thus because they like the sound of it and maybe surrounds themself with paraphenalia. Being unable to verify the rest because of the anonymous character inherent to this site, I have to be extremely charitable (which I often am) to grant you the rest of your 'communism', which is to say, dues-paying membership to a democratic socialist or anarchist mutual-aid organization. Assuming all that is true, I still find it very fucking condescending and dopey that you make an appeal to our presumed shared 'communism' and being 'for the people' to defend the poor posters on this, I say again with emphasis, banned-comedy-podcast-fandom-subreddit spinoff reddit clone.
If people are feeling alienated by this website or by the internet, there is a very effective solution that ends with off and begins with log. The alienating thing is not the style of the other website posters, it is the fact of seeking out a sense of community on this website in the first place.
If they cannot go outside and find friends in real life, which I get, then there are ways you can build a digital connection with individuals you meet on a public forum, I'm sure friendships have grown out of this site, but those have hopefully grown privately, where it is safer to intimately expose yourself (joke not intended). Becoming invested in a digital relationship with a person is fine. Investment in a digital relationship with 30k anonymous people is not fine
I'm struggling to see how advocating for a sense of community rather than alienation is condescending.
I dunno, I'm starting to question whether this is in good faith or not anymore. I'm not going to engage in a discussion about how valid a communist I personally am.
I don't know how else to convince you that a forum for people with a shared ideology, which engages - or has known to engage - in earnest discourse is a good thing, and that considering it a community is not harmful. To address your claim that it is "not fine."
And I guess my other point is that if you're doing things that are alienating and make people "log off," you should reconsider whether it's right to alienate people such that it pushes them out
What I am saying is, I (and the rest of the people posting on the website) am not doing anything to anybody, they are doing it to themselves by having an expectation that does not match reality.
Good! You are learning. You have no assurance either way, so you have to accept either as a possibility at least. Thats part of posting on a forum.
But you are also not learning. You've take personally as some sort of attack something that, if you had emotional detachment and uncare for posts on website, you would have understood as a generic statement about a generic poster on this website (which is how it was intended). I don't know you! As far as I know, you fit that description, and I can't know any more than that. That's why the appeal to our shared communism is dopey; you don't know me or what I believe, and I don't know you, and this website is by all evidence mostly people who like that who just like to be called communists. Maybe not even mostly, since there are anarchists and people who don't buy stickers and pins at all here, too. So it is dopey to me when people pretend they are doing revolution when they post here, it reads as play-acting. The condescending part is more a matter of tone: "Surely you must agree with me, we are both marxist-leninist-maoists and love the workers, so you are wrong and I am right!"
E: as for earnest discussion, that doesn't require and can actually be hindered by community. We are doing it now and I don't consider myself in any community with you.