I hate this law. Not because I think people should be saluting like Nazis, but because it was actually needed. We should be better than that. Have we learned nothing from 80-90 years ago?
The systematic dismantling of humanities education hasn't helped this either. That's why we needs arts / humanities just as much as science. The nazis had science but they didn't have any humanity.
Their science was in many respects also questionable. Sure, they engineered alright but they also based sweeping policy on ridiculous race science and their astrophysics never would have panned out with their rejection of Relativity as "Jewish Physics"
Am autistic and can confirm that many aspects of their science are bullshit. Still deal with the impacts of this every day as many in my community are willfully ignorant about Hans Asperger and how concepts like 'high' and 'low' functioning are based in nazi ideology not science.
Australia is a settler colonial project built on the genocide of indigenous populations, its in the bones of your country like it is in the US, and like we inspired Nazi Germany to be
In the best of cases overcoming this history would be difficult, but we live in a world where this is not the best of cases, and where for most of history the ruling class has gone the other direction and misinformation and lies are more common than learning real history
Australia did at one point but then the US did a coup.
Nazis literally came back solely for, as the kids say, "having rizz".
Normies just suck.
Why be like this? No, it wasn't the fucking uniforms, it was the assemblage of white supremacist states that recruited Nazis and promoted aspects of their ideology all over the anglosphere.
This was rumoured to have come about because everyone was saying Dictator Dan, and throwing nazi salutes at him, though, right?
This was more about Dan not being upset, and being able to have protesters arrested if he got upset. This has been years in the making.
And now he's resigned.
That's how I understood it when it was first announced back in the day anyway.
I heard it was because everyone was throwing Nazi salutes in public spaces in support of the current liberal candidate but maybe whoever said that was making it the fuck up
edit for raptor squad this is entirely sarcastic but Christ you're dense mate
No.
This happened after a bunch of nazis inserting themselves into everything imaginable (and yes, they did co-opt a lot of the dissatisfaction over lockdowns) pissing more and more people off until we literally ended with a situation where they got a protective cop ring around them and started flinging seig heils and there was no legal way to get them on the harm they were doing.
Fuck that noise.
Also fuckin' dan couldn't give a shit what nutballs chant in the street when the voters kept putting him back in the seat. Don't be such a five year old
Swede here, I completely agree!
Let's just hope the nazis never learn about the Olympic salute...
Hmmm. Between 1am and 9am on a fuckin' sunday this somehow gains an extra 39 comments
That's not suspicious at all.
I was very confused. This had 40 upvotes within 40 minutes of posting it in the middle of the night
Edit: God damn typos
Good. There should be no room for hate, let Nazis rot in the bins of history where they belong.
Also a quick reminder that swastikas drawn in permanent marker can be wiped off some surfaces with a solvent, such as by using alcohol based hand sanitizer on a tissue. Both come in travel sizes.
As for ones that cannot be cleaned off, well there’s absolutely nothing you can do about that. It cannot be helped. You wouldn’t want to get caught undoing a hate symbol by drawing over it in a hilarious but completely illegal way.
Such vandalism is reserved for your own belongings because graffiti of public property is a crime. ☝️
Report it in the Snap send solve app. It will alert the council and they'll remove it within a day usually.
God dam, there's a lot of comments in there for a midnight posting. sus imo.
This post is fairly far up in the active feed, so it's gone international.
That's why.
fair. I don't quite get how lemmy integrates. I suppose lemmy being new and a large chunk of team melbourne coming over will skew things a little.
The Nazis are not the masses and shouldn't be conflate with them. The libs crying over "free speech" for Nazis are also a minority.
As much as I hate what the Nazis did, and this resurgence of neo Nazism, I worry that raising one's hand for any purpose could be mistaken for a salute.
I worry that raising one's hand for any purpose could be mistaken for a salute.
really?
As much as I hate Nazis we should really tolerate them for this scenario I just made up
You don't think someone can question the enforcement of the law without supporting Nazis?
I don't think someone hailing a taxi is going to get cuffed unless the cops were after them anyway. Be happy that the neoliberal slime in charge of the state did something good for once instead of imagining that a conductor might be sent to jail in the middle of a symphony.
Do you think the Labor government is neo liberal? I don't know, the state government has done a lot of good things over the last few years.
Also what's with all these down votes? There's a lot of idiots on this thread who can't understand nuance or context.
if the police want to brutalize someone they'll use anything as a pretext
criminalizing nazi displays is good.
Agreed. It's a good start. I wonder if there's any way we can stop people harbouring those beliefs.
that's a fair bit harder. as capitalism continues to decay fascism will continue to sweep up those dissatisfied with the status quo so their ire can be pointed towards scapegoats rather than the people in power who are actually ruining their lives. as an individual, your options are precious and few. as someone who has spent like, 20 of the 30 years i've been alive arguing with right-wingers of various flavors, i know for a fact that they can be swayed by a compelling enough counter-narrative. the problem is that the narratives that lead unhappy people into fascism are all but ominpresent throughout our society. fascist ideology is baked into the bones of countries like the u.s. and australia, and wealthy ghouls fund a fucking deluge of propaganda to ensure that remains the dominant "alternative" ideology.
as a society, we could theoretically live in a world without nazis tomorrow. not literally, of course, but a combination of addressing the root material concerns (poverty, etc), shutting down the various fascist propaganda networks, shooting the hardliners and reeducating the rest would eliminate much of its allure, though it would likely take a few generations of work to truly see the end of it as a movement with any teeth. of course, we won't, because ultimately fascism serves the interests of capital by serving as both a release valve and a bludgeon to keep any movements that might pose a threat to the status quo in line.
tl;dr absolutely yes, but we won't
Australia casually imports right extremist scum from other countries for decades. Also Australia ^^^
