"Communism is when no democracy"
my grade 10 history teacher taught us "mlk chose peace, malcolm was violent and paid the price"
How does that even make sense at all when both were assassinated?
I believed that until I went on the original chapo sub. Worse thing is that I leave in a place where white people are a minority and that is still what most people believe.
"In their debate, WEB Dubois argued for immediate civil rights whereas Booker T. Washington argued for black people to pick themselves up by the bootstraps. Both arguments were equally valid."
"Study hard and get good grades, and you can be anything you want to be"
"anything is possible if you work hard" - dipshit public school teachers
"you can achieve anything if you want it bad enough" - cool runnings
Political beliefs all fall on a one-dimensional spectrum of left to right, and you get equally bad outcomes if you go too far on either side.
That 's not just school, almost every lib I know believes this.
Native americans and pilgrims were best buds forever. Please don't ask why they're on reservations today.
Even farther - they wanted to be on reservations, this was the ideal outcome and everyone is currently happy.
the elementary school us history curriculum in virginia was fuckin demonic
I was told a story that "in the soviet union the government would buy whatever factories would make so one day the government places an order for 10,000 (screws? or tires? or boots? or bullets? I forget) with a 4 different sizes. But 3 of those size types take longer to produce so instead the factory produces 10,000 all in 1 size and the soviet union was forced to buy it and got left with junk/waste and still didn't have 3 of the sizes it required. and that's why capitalism is better because if the factory makes waste it has to bear the loss of that waste and factories have to produce what the market demands".
capitalism, the system that does not have overproduction at all
Boomers really do think literally everyone in the USSR was receiving the same salary. I've heard it. "Why would anyone do the more interesting job when you could get paid the same to do the job that you don't like?"
It's fucking wild. Like wage flattening was something that was talked about by Soviet academics and the Communist Party, but it wasn't until Gorbachev that it was actually attempted in earnest as one of his bloc's various hairbrained policy ideas, and was walked back as fast as his anti-alcohol campaign because of how horribly unpopular it was. IIRC Khrushchev may have also started the process, but stopped with only minor reforms after it yielded poor results (compared to Gorbachev, at least Khrushchev tended to back off - or was reined in by other officials - after his liberalization policies yielded poor results instead of doubling down and setting everything on fire like Gorbachev and his bloc were able to do).
Are you telling me Soviet history is well documented and if you want to make it really easy there's probably over 100 million former Soviet citizens you can talk to?
Can't be. I was assured that the Soviet Union made reading maps illegal* so no one could figure out how to leave, and that after the government was gone no one knew how to find their way home and just got lost in the woods, presumably with all their books and records which they probably thought were maps, the poor bastards.
* They definitely, 100% didn't consider Orienteering a major sport with competitions, and people definitely weren't taught navigation and survival skills as part of mandatory civic defense education aimed at preparing the population to better survive another invasion or, even worse, a possible nuclear attack by the US!
I saw that when it was posted lol. I was referencing a post from the old sub where someone found some weirdo chud claiming that his Soviet grandfather told him the USSR forbid people from learning how to read maps so they couldn't leave, when in actuality reading maps and navigating terrain was literally a big competitive sport in the Soviet Union and literally everyone was required to learn navigation among other survival skills as part of their civic defense preparedness education.
Throughout all of my schooling there was a very strong sense that history is something which happened in the past and now it's over. It was never said so that explicitly, but rarely if ever were historical trends carried through to their present implications. It left me with a sort of Francis Fukuyama "End of History" realism that has only been shaken off in the past 10 years or so.
Vietnam were fights for democracy
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We had to write an essay in AP US history about the US annexation and occupation of the Philippines using a set of documents provided. The essay prompt was something like "was the US justified in its occupation?" Not only did the documents not even once mention the guerilla war, concentration camps, and genocide, but they directed us towards a case that the US occupation was necessary to prevent even worse colonial powers from seizing the Philippines (Germany in particular) had the US allowed the Filipinos to be independent.
I learned what actually happened a few years later and now have a burning hatred for my APUSH teacher.
I think most students don't get taught about the US occupation of the Philippines at all. I think that at most 1/3 of americans know that it used to be our colony
The worst part for me, besides actually writing in favor of the occupation because I didn't know any better, was that we did dedicate time to the idea of America as a colonial empire. We were never taught what that actually meant though. It was entirely detached from any actions or consequences, as if it were just a label fixed on to it.
The idea that America single-handedly saved the world from Nazis. Shit like the siege of the USSR is either briefly glanced over, or used solely as a "gommunists sucked against Hitler so we had to step in lol" talking point.
I wonder if kids are being taught in 2021 "communism is when Facebook censors your covidiot grandpa"
I think the worst of the propaganda came in the form of omissions and emphasis. We spent tons of time talking about how great the constitution is, but they never told us anything about the government of the Soviet Union or any socialist country. They never explained what capitalism is, other than to vaguely conflated it with markets. The told us very little about Latin American history after about 1900, which had always perplexed me until I found out about imperialism. They would introduce US misdeeds by being like "some have argued that it was necessary to drop the atomic bombs to save lives overall" and then just not mention any opposing viewpoints. Without technically lying, they heavily distorted our entire understanding of history.
That after the TRC and the first democratic elections being held in 1994 with the fall of apartheid everything is fine and dandy and racism ™️ is finished. Group Areas Act and apartheid spacial planning still being unofficially enforced to to unequal budgets between municipalities, social and economic forces and property taxes? Doesn't exist. Private-public partnerships being a waste of everyone's time and two steps away from :ancap-good: ? Not a thing? Neoliberalism leading to the crumbing of all infrastructure? Can't hurt you folks. The fact that white people still maintained almost all of their generational wealth and power? Not real or of consequence.
The Bolsheviks weren't popular at all. They took the name derived from bolshoi (большой - big) to trick people into thinking they were popular. 🤔
I never looked into this further, because even as a teenager I was starting to get that anti-communism required a lot more Jewish erasure than I was comfortable with. It seemed like for every alleged Soviet atrocity there was always something missing...like a plausible motive, or that the supposed good guys were murdering Jews.
America lost the war in Vietnam because of a lack of patriotism at home - l went to a Christian highschool that was also anti-evolution and radiometric dating.
