• glimmer_twin [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Guys I figured out the captain America super serum, step one: you gotta go to this one hospital in russia,

  • jack [he/him, comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    It's an unsurprising shame that Falcon and The Winter Soldier has worse politics than the typical Cap comic

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      4 years ago

      Captain America was always an ideological pastiche of what America "should be".

      Falcon/Winter Soldier are much more accurate depictions of what America actually is.

      But Cap is considered an icon, because he's... a blonde-haired, blue-eyed straight white military dude of the Greatest Generation. Meanwhile, F/WS are problematic because one's a swarthy-looking jive-talking urban millennial and the other is a long-haired unshaved Slavic-looking hippie with PTSD.

      Comic books are the trash bin of ideology. :zizek:

        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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          4 years ago

          Because they’re fucking bootlickers.

          It's Capeshit. They're all bootlickers.

          Falcon was an antifaschist in other Cap stories, and he was great there.

          Falcon was just another guy fighting Red Skull, a character that very deliberately existed to blur the line between Nazis and Communists as a generic "Foreign Man Bad".

          Multiracial neoliberal hegemony is not an admirable goal because neoliberal hegemony is not an admirable goal.

          Falcon is the personification of the old 👏 More 👏 POC 👏 Drone 👏 Operators 👏 meme. He's neoliberal now. He's been neoliberal for over two decades. And his introduction as New Captain America was explicitly about Owning The Chuds in a way that granted a pass to American imperialism while pretending at Antifacism.

            • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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              4 years ago

              Also I was talking about the comics.

              The comics and the movies have been echoing one another for decades. "Marvel Unlimited" was explicitly created to facilitate this.

              Red Skull definitely sounds like a “communazi” name, but everything about his portrayal is fascist.

              https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Albert_Malik_(Earth-616)

                • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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                  4 years ago

                  In an issue that comes out at the tail end of the Cold War.

                  Weird how we have a Soviet Red Skull character from roughly the beginning of the Cold War to its end.

                    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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                      4 years ago

                      The two Skulls

                      They made a second Soviet Skull and ran it for thirty five years during the thick of the Cold War.

                      This Malik guy is written like an afterthought.

                      A thirty five year long afterthought.

                      There are franchises with shorter print runs.

        • maxwellhill [doe/deer]
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          4 years ago

          I would rather have the people ruling us look like me TBH. At least then I would have preferential treatment that white people do.

    • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
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      4 years ago

      Yeah, they went from humanizing the flagsmashers to "look at this monstrous thing she did that makes them all monsters" right quick.

      • SirLotsaLocks [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        It's like they couldn't find a way to make them actually bad so fuck it they blow people up now

          • SirLotsaLocks [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            explained solely with "it's the only language they know" like that makes sense for a group who's goal is one world one people.

      • Janked [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Ah, they pulled a Bioshock Infinite, huh?

        • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
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          edit-2
          4 years ago

          I'm not familiar with Bioshock Infinite but basically

          spoiler

          the flagsmasher's leaders' mom or grandma died of tuberculosis which is heavily prevalent among the refugees in the camps. So, after their latest heist of stealing supplies being horded by the ones in charge... The guards were all tied up, and she blew them up as they left. Much to her follower's dismay. because "it's the only language they understand." Honestly, I would still find that humanizing, but my life is filled with libs and you could see in their eyes that the switch had been flicked.

          I'd say this actually really good propaganda for putting a damper on the inevitable violence against those who are killing us via climate change, hoarding foods and homes, keeping healthcare from us. Violence against those people can easily be justified as self defense (Seriously half a million preventable covid deaths in the US alone) but the media will make sure that anyone that steps out of line will be lumped in as terrorists. Just look at the eco-"terrorist" movements that have disappeared since the 80's and 90's who were absolutely correct.

          • Janked [he/him]
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            edit-2
            4 years ago

            Yeah, that seems completely justified to me and actually not as bad as Bioshock Infinite.

            In Infinite the leader of the revolution uses a child as a human shield and then shoots them for stupid reasons that I don't remember.

              • garbology [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                They retconned it in the DLC to make it somehow even more awful.

                spoiler

                IIRC the dimension travelling twins convince her to kill the kid and die in order to progress Comstock's and Elizabeth's story.

      • jabrd [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        I gotta say I love Cap as a reflection of bougie libs thinking through “what would a person who represents the hopes and possibilities of America think about this,” and again and again it’s just Cap being quietly horrified by our nightmare society. It really does betray that even the libs at the heart of the bleeding machine know it’s dying despite being the ones most integrated into it

    • RNAi [he/him]
      hexagon
      ·
      4 years ago

      I don't give a shit about capeshit

    • PeludoPorFavor [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      i had zero interest in watching the show from the get-go, but i've heard it's just straight propaganda...

    • LeninsRage [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      So far its pretty bog standard Marvel fare, basically "American liberal militarism and imperialism are good, actually, but can go too far sometimes." Usually in mortal-terrestrial bound stories in the franchise theres a faction of villains or anti-heroes who represent the "but can go too far sometimes", in this case Walker the "new" Captain America.

      • jack [he/him, comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        I was just rewatching parts of Civil War and it's such an obvious peak for the MCU. That shit ruled.

  • DirtbagVegan [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I may disagree with TNC about some things, but uncritical support for dunking on Jordie.

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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      4 years ago

      The funny thing is I'm not even sure it's meant to be a dunk on him. That's just a description of the appeal fascist movements make and have always made to young men. If this wasn't written by a black "postmodern neo-marxist" I'm not even sure Peterson would have the self-awareness to make the connection.

      • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Oh it's definitely a dunk on him: https://www.reddit.com/r/enoughpetersonspam/comments/ml737i/hahahaha/

        "Ten Rules for Life" - His most famous book is literally called "Twelve Rules for Life"

        "Chaos and order" - That's his "female chaos dragon" thing

        "The feminist trap" - The guy never shuts up about the evils of feminism

        • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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          edit-2
          4 years ago

          oh, that's pretty funny then

          i like the youtube-thumbnail-clickbait brain in that twitter screenshot falsely implying that Coates, who was writing Black Panther in 2015, only just started on comics. these nerds have the memories of goldfish.

        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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          4 years ago

          There are reasonable points behind political view point, even ones that you or I might disagree with

          The right's problem in the modern day is that they've replaced their Dick Cheneys and Collin Powells and Bill Kristols with a bunch of YouTube / TPUSA dorks just looking to max out their presence on social media rather than execute on any kind of coherent policy project.

          Dick Cheney could sit down on Meet The Press and say very serious things and get the host to nod sagely while questioning him on the finer points of how to make imperialism work.

          Milo Yanipenis isn't allowed to post on Twitter.

          Not a coincidence that the PNAC kids from the 90s/00s have mostly changed their stripes, rebranding as Moderate Democrats. If you want the real serious-person fascism, you're not going to find it coming out of the clown college of the Republican Party.

          • MarxMadness [comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            Dick Cheney could sit down on Meet The Press and say very serious things and get the host to nod sagely while questioning him on the finer points of how to make imperialism work.

            Milo Yanipenis isn’t allowed to post on Twitter.

            There's a point in here about how the left post-Bernie is hamstringing itself with a habit of attacking anyone who gets successful enough to be taken seriously.

    • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Yeah, it's obviously a jab at Peterson:

      https://www.reddit.com/r/enoughpetersonspam/comments/ml737i/hahahaha/

  • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    This is the first time in a while I have smiled at seeing that sad broken man owned

  • Rem [she/her]
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    edit-2
    4 years ago

    Becky, not everyone is talking about you

    • REallyN [she/her,they/them]
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      4 years ago

      I remember a couple years ago I would watch a youtube channel where a guy would make fun of sjw writing in the new marvel comics, so I feel like my views are tainted mostly by that.

    • RNAi [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      I like coats, I mean, they look nice, but I never wear them cuz they are expensive and bougie and I would look ridiculous in one.