It's fascinating to see the responses (mainly good) and what the derailing talking points are:
yeah but what races do more violent crime (number 1 racist comment)
please don't use latinx, that's a white people thing that Latinos/Latinas hate
Is this second one a good faith ask, I mean, this truly derails the entire conversation about murdered people of color - do you think it's posed in bad faith to purposefully change the subject?
I've asked that same (2nd) question before and tbh with you, it's mostly mixed bag. It is predominantly used by white liberals but not 100%. I think it's something time will have a better answer for, if people of Latino/Latina decent make it a thing then it's a legit thing. I just don't see it currently catching on and it has been around for a couple years or more now. The thing is too, I get it, and I get why people want to say it and it makes sense, but I'm in zero place to tell people of that descent what to say so I just say Latino/Latina. It's not perfect but I simply don't see any of my friends or well known people saying it that I follow or read. My opinion on this can change eventually so i'm not devoted to it at all either.
I do think it was bad faith though because it's distracting from the true meaning of the post and delving into semantics that isn't very relevant to the topic or respectful to it either.
It's kind of weird to me and I wonder if the people that came up with it know spanish. Cause the language itself is very gendered, and you will have to use the x in a lot of places. In english objects are not gendered, and a verb or adjective does not change based on gender. I am not against it but it has to be applied to the whole language. But that's another topic.
There was a pretty big struggle session over it a while back.
From what I remember I heard some people going with, just calling people Latin. I also heard Latines, which I like but iirc someone in the thread was pointing something out about grammar in Spanish not making sense with it? I've also heard of pronouncing Latinx like latin-eh (identical to singular Latines), like how the x sounds in Mexico when you say it in Spanish.
Finally this just reminded me of Latin@ which I haven't seen brought up in a while!
I think Latin works in English--we already talk about "Latin American" people anyways. And Latine sounds good enough for me in Spanish. But honestly this issue has definitely been a bag of worms, and I'm also not a native speaker.
It's fascinating to see the responses (mainly good) and what the derailing talking points are:
yeah but what races do more violent crime (number 1 racist comment)
please don't use latinx, that's a white people thing that Latinos/Latinas hate
Is this second one a good faith ask, I mean, this truly derails the entire conversation about murdered people of color - do you think it's posed in bad faith to purposefully change the subject?
I've asked that same (2nd) question before and tbh with you, it's mostly mixed bag. It is predominantly used by white liberals but not 100%. I think it's something time will have a better answer for, if people of Latino/Latina decent make it a thing then it's a legit thing. I just don't see it currently catching on and it has been around for a couple years or more now. The thing is too, I get it, and I get why people want to say it and it makes sense, but I'm in zero place to tell people of that descent what to say so I just say Latino/Latina. It's not perfect but I simply don't see any of my friends or well known people saying it that I follow or read. My opinion on this can change eventually so i'm not devoted to it at all either.
I do think it was bad faith though because it's distracting from the true meaning of the post and delving into semantics that isn't very relevant to the topic or respectful to it either.
It's kind of weird to me and I wonder if the people that came up with it know spanish. Cause the language itself is very gendered, and you will have to use the x in a lot of places. In english objects are not gendered, and a verb or adjective does not change based on gender. I am not against it but it has to be applied to the whole language. But that's another topic.
i'm not a linguist but i don't believe x in spanish is used often enough for it to fit within it? seems weird, at least written
Yeah, my point exactly.
There was a pretty big struggle session over it a while back.
From what I remember I heard some people going with, just calling people Latin. I also heard Latines, which I like but iirc someone in the thread was pointing something out about grammar in Spanish not making sense with it? I've also heard of pronouncing Latinx like latin-eh (identical to singular Latines), like how the x sounds in Mexico when you say it in Spanish.
Finally this just reminded me of Latin@ which I haven't seen brought up in a while!
I think Latin works in English--we already talk about "Latin American" people anyways. And Latine sounds good enough for me in Spanish. But honestly this issue has definitely been a bag of worms, and I'm also not a native speaker.
As I commented in that struggle sesh,
It should be Latin-EKEES - pronounced like X in Spanish
Or Latines. (It’s not perfect because we’re not pluralizing “Latin” but it’s better than latinx)
“Latinx” is a form of linguistic imperialism, imposing English phonetics onto another language.
Fwiw, I’m part of a big Mexican family and I’ve never heard anyone use it.
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