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Though he did clarify they don't have a worse police state than the US. He just both-sides it.
Edit - It's a law of hexbear that every discussion must turn into a struggle session. Especially if the discussion involves China.
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Though he did clarify they don't have a worse police state than the US. He just both-sides it.
Edit - It's a law of hexbear that every discussion must turn into a struggle session. Especially if the discussion involves China.
It sounds like it's only some officers that have guns. I don't think it's a standard thing still.
either way, i just provided you with a video where someone was put into one of those chairs for even criticizing cops, the idea that there's going to be a massive amount of footage of their abuse is illogical, but there's enough to provide a look at the similarities between our cops and theirs. but the point being is that a cop by definition is a bastard. a hammer and sickle isn't going to change that. there needs to be international police reform and community policing/police elections, and their actions need to be open to citizen review in every single country. we can strive towards communism, but if we're going to empower/enable this kind of shit while striving towards it, then we're still living in fear of our governments.
china's great in a lot of ways, but piker's take that china is a police state much like the US is legitimate.
edit: cops by number in china probably have far less murders, but they are still state sanctioned thugs, and that's just something that comes with a hierarchical system of policing authority, it's easily open to abuse.
No it isn't, it stands to reason that if they are committing a lot of abuses there's going to be a lot of footage of it just like there is in the US, considering how many people in China walk around with smart phones and it isn't some cloistered off hermit kingdom.
Not probably, the number of people killed by police in China is very typically single digits for an entire year, compared to almost 1,000 a year in the US, and thats with China having 4 times as many people. So it's a difference of like 400x.
I do agree that interrogation video is messed up and an abuse of power, and definitely worthy of criticism. I would just caution against drawing an equivalence between the US and China on this issue, I don't think they are in the same ballpark. From what I have heard from people in China they're not even close to as bad as US police.
I would like to mention that while I am opposed to torture and thus forced lockdowns in chairs like that (also in mental hospitals btw.), the outrage about that video from the western online audience and existence of that video does tell a lot.
The only thing I want to write about though is that it acts as if the US for example wouldn't have the praxis of punishing people with forced and stress positions - so with other words torture - people, be it in Guantanamo, be it in prison, be it in black sites, be it in jails, be it in police stations, be it in mental hospitals, be it in "private" prisons, be it in orphanages, be it in the Teenage-conversion-industry, be it in Chicagos black sites were they torture people without any liberal-cause at all.
The chairs are widely used in the US and feature heavily in series of abuses, there are stress position torture, sexual abuses including pretty heavy stuff, forced feeding, general abuse and also murder associated with them.
I will not talk about that the history of those US restrains is centuries old and did only get marginal better (and for many didn't get better at all), but ask - why is this not common knowledge and where is the just wrath against it?
Furthermore the US has a history of torture to press out confessions, while the mode changed since the 1930s some police units didn't change much and threats are still essential to the US "penal" system.
ACAB is very true within the US.
of course, it's true everywhere. all cops are bastards, especially american cops.