"Militarize to prevent conflict"

  • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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    3 years ago

    How do you figure that?

    Russia going ahead with the Eastern Euro pipeline over American objection. Europeans really not getting involved in Iraq or Afghanistan. Europeans not biting on Iran sanctions and pretty much abandoning Cuba sanctions.

    Huawei is a serious competitor to both European telecomm and European domestic espionage, so that's more self-interest. I suspect the Greens in Germany - like the Greens in the US - have been compromised, but I am dubious of their capacity to move Germany on its relative neutrality given how hard that would fuck the country economically.

    And I think that's really at the heart of so much of this shit. The money. America isn't the center of the global economy now that it's been rebuilt following WW/Cold Wars. Lots of money to be had that doesn't flow through the States.

    • TeethOrCoat [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Greens in Germany. Pipeline. It's really convenient if you think about it. Wasn't the EU also involved in that sanctions spree against PRC?

      The Huawei thing I'd be more inclined to believe if they had just straight up rejected the implementation from the get-go. It's only when the US got involved, then suddenly everyone wanted to drop 5G.

      Regarding the likelihood of Germany making a move, if they're as much of a poodle as Australia when the greens get in, I think they might just break neutrality. Australia pretty much fucked their own economy going against PRC and ironically it was their US masters benefiting because PRC started importing from the US instead. The point is, if they're anything like Australia, they'll fucking fall on the sword so the US can benefit.

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        3 years ago

        Australia pretty much fucked their own economy going against PRC and ironically it was their US masters benefiting because PRC started importing from the US instead.

        They've been fucking their economy one way or another for decades.

        I don't know if there strictly comparable to the Germans, who are far more interested in consolidating Europe than appeasing the US.

        • TeethOrCoat [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          who are far more interested in consolidating Europe than appeasing the US.

          For now, maybe. Merkel at least shows interest in working with PRC. My concern is whether or not the Greens will turn Germany into poodles like Brazil (voted against vaccine waiver) and Australia (fucked their own exports).

          • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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            3 years ago

            I mean, we'll see. But I doubt it. They're gunning for a plurality, not a majority. And the hype around these wave elections never seems to show up in practice.

            I suspect they'll be wrestling with their own Corporate Blue Dogs, just like the Americans are