I'm torn between "Every people deserves the right to self-determination" and "Catalunya is richer than Spain, so it's the bourgeosie wanting to split off from the poors and pay less tax"

  • dronebama [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    Every people deserves the right to self-determination

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    I’ll support a nationalist struggle if it directly helps the left but I feel like anything in the white/european sphere outside of the territory wanting to do a USSR 2 should just be ignored. Like how does an independent Catalonia get us communism? It’s just going to be another state in the EU, maybe left leaning but it will still be capitalist. Look at Ireland, the IRA is fucking dead, even if they got back north Ireland at this point it wouldn’t fucking matter as it’s just libs running it.

    • Vampire [any]
      hexagon
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      1 year ago

      This says the IRA run the biggest party, idk: https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2023/07/22/inside-sinn-fein-the-men-and-women-behind-irelands-biggest-political-party/

      • dronebama [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        Sinn Fein is sucdem, the Ira lost much of its Marxist roots before the troubles even started. And sure they are left for Western Europe, but Ireland is largely irrelevant now to modern leftists. Their support for Palestine is nice but it’s a mostly empty gesture, they still have an Israeli embassy ffs. Ireland has been integrated fully into the imperial core like South Korea was in the 21st century.

        • SpookyGenderCommunist [they/them, she/her]
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          1 year ago

          the Ira lost much of its Marxist roots before the troubles even started

          There were multiple IRA's during the troubles. The Official IRA was more Orthodox Marxist, while the Provisional IRA was the one that did the car bombings, and though it didn't start out Marxist, it moved in that direction as time went on.

          • Vncredleader
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            1 year ago

            On top of that the Official IRA split into factions as well. the INLA was a united front org with MLM, Trot, and anti Revisionist elements, while the Worker's Party was growing progressively disinterested in armed Republicanism.

            It is worth noting that essentially Republicanism survived and managed the few gains it did because the Provos rejecting the Official IRA. Keep out of trouble and hope Moscow wins the Cold War was not a viable strategy and the Provisional IRA represented a shift you see in the anti-aparthied struggle and Cuba.

          • dronebama [none/use name]
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            1 year ago

            It’s apt to say that the Ira is an unorganized clusterfuck that lost the revolutionary potential it had. Like obviously we should still support their campaign against occupation but we can acknowledge that their time has passed. A new organization is necessary for Ireland, probably one that is not led by whites.