• Nath@aussie.zone
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    1 year ago

    If Australian Sushi is cultural appropriation, I'd love to hear this person justify "New York Pizza".

    New York Pizza is famous globally and recognised as something different to Italian style Pizza. Is that also cultural appropriation?

  • WaterWaiver@aussie.zone
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    1 year ago

    Absolutely gorgeous article.

    I had no idea our sushi rolls and banh mi were so divergent. How long until "Australian Banh Mi" is a thing overseas?

    • naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      1 year ago

      The wonderful thing about food is that it's always changing. People shit on stuff for not being "authentic" but frankly I think it's delightful how different traditions come together to play. Mixing and matching until the local food reflects the available ingredients and preferences of the populous.

      I mean I make a mean lemon tofu which is a derivative of lemon chicken which is a derivative of a Cantonese style that was adapted for churning out cheap and appealing food so migrants could work at takeaway stores and get visas.

      Food tells a story, wherever you have it and however you have it. Appreciating that is imho the more joyful approach than trying to fix it in time.

    • JohnBrownNote [comrade/them, des/pair]
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      1 year ago

      there's a monster flavor "aussie style lemonade" in the states and i have no idea what that means. just tastes like energy drink lemonade to me

  • sil@aussie.zone
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    1 year ago

    TIL Australian Sushi is a thing! It never occurred to me that they don’t have the easy to hold rolls in other parts of the world. I think they make up like 10% of my diet haha.

    • Baku@aussie.zone
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      1 year ago

      TIL too... I'm still not sure I understand what non Australian sushi is though. I just figured 'authentic' sushi would be what we have but with higher quality ingredients or potentially cut into slices to be easier to eat with chopsticks

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Is aussie style sushi not still considered Japanese food?

      To an Australian, probably. To a Japanese person in Japan? Probably not.

  • Lemmygradwontallowme [he/him, comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    Egh, I could live with that...

    I just wanna eat my Philadelphia rolls with Norwegian salmon in peace.... plus, I don't think cultural appropriation, in this context, is necessarily malicious or so, now that I've read the article...

    grillman

    • Nath@aussie.zone
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      1 year ago

      No. That photo misses the whole point. The article is talking about these, which are common in Australia. You normally buy 3-4 of them and that's a quick lunch on the go.

      • sooper_dooper_roofer [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        dude that's just sushi

        this is the biggest reach I've seen since...well a bunch of mayo criminals reached australia

        this entire thing just feels like settlers being butthurt that they a) have none of the history/tradition of the old world and b) unlike america, don't even have any recently found pop culture relevance to offset the former

        There's plenty of Aboriginal and even some trivial white Australian culture, claiming a certain shape of sushi is not that (not even Americans do this, and the few that do "Detroit pizza" are rightfully made fun of and bullied)

        Australian sushi is a thick hand roll made from half a standard sheet of nori. Its shape is distinct from Japanese temaki hand rolls, which are often cone-shaped, as well as from futomaki thick rolls, which are similar in shape but usually served sliced.

        so it's literally just unsliced sushi lol. It's not even like some characteristic ingredient, like with California Rolls and Philadelphia rolls using avocado/cream cheese (which are def not Japanese)

        • Darth_Reagan [they/them, comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          Its also very clearly Japanese immigrants modifying their home dishes with local ingredients. Its Japanese-Australian food, not Australian food.

          • sooper_dooper_roofer [none/use name]
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            1 year ago

            Chicken Tikka Masala is BRI ISH

            in 500 years of colonial trade, NOBODY in the entire Indian subcontinent has EVER put tomatoes into a Chicken curry! NEVER!

        • Nath@aussie.zone
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          1 year ago

          dude that's just sushi

          And that's literally what we call it (or "hand rolls"). Until this article, I've never seen the term "Australian Sushi". I can see how you'd market it that way in New York though, to make them novel/stand out.

          The guy writing the article is moderately famous in Australia as a Japanese-Australian TV personality.

          • sooper_dooper_roofer [none/use name]
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            1 year ago

            there's a type of brainworm unique to many anglos where they have to be as special and different as possible when there's LITERALLY NOTHING THERE

            "hmmm.....I could try learning about or even promoting idk one of the cultures of Africa or India or China (or indigenous Australian, American etc cultures) with thousands of years of tradition that literally nobody outside of those continents even knows exists, but nah I'm going to take sushi and call it Australian because I'm a special snowflake and I'm jealous that the other anglo settlers across the pacific have more clout "

            • CloutAtlas [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              I think I remember Nina Oyama saying something similar, but in a "hey this is amusingly uniquely Australian, I'm Japanese and have been to America" not "this is cultural appropriation" way.

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          4 months ago

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  • Maoo [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    Either way, the Japanese deserve to have their culture appropriated so this is great.

    I choose to believe, despite having read the article, that Australian sushi is just a bunch of still-living extremely poisonous animals served alongside a beer.

  • Zozano@aussie.zone
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    1 year ago

    I've heard people claim cultural appropriation over this or that, but I'm not convinced it's a real thing, and not just people being offended on behalf of someone else.

    That's not to say that cultures don't get appropriated, but is that a bad thing? White people rocking dreadlocks, cool. Black people sporting a kimono, nice. Asian people with Klan robes, what.

    We live in a culturally interconnected global community now, no group has ownership over aesthetics.

    • Alaskaball [comrade/them]A
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      1 year ago

      That's not to say that cultures don't get appropriated, but is that a bad thing? White people rocking dreadlocks, cool. Black people sporting a kimono, nice. Asian people with Klan robes, what.

      ♬ One of these things is not like the other ~ One of these things is actually bad ♬

          • Zozano@aussie.zone
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            1 year ago

            Not wrong lol. Australian humour is a very tricky thing to understand for outsiders.

            I was once accused of being racist for telling a story about how I joked that my black friend didn't need sunscreen.

            Unless you understand how Aussie humour works, you won't understand that I'm actually saying "I don't give a shit about what colour your skin is".

            For the uninitiated, much of Aussie humour revolves around how much you can "take-the-piss" meaning, "I know where your boundaries are, and I'll show you that I respect you by walking up to that line, but not crossing it".

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              4 months ago

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              • Zozano@aussie.zone
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                1 year ago

                Was at the beach with some mates and had some sunblock, after I SlipSlopSlapped, I asked if my black mate if he wanted some, then quickly corrected myself saying "nah you're alright, anyone else?"

                He had a chuckle and said "fuck you", then I gave him the tube because black people still get sunburned.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      While there are people who are too trigger happy with the term, and a sizable gray area between cultural exchange and cultural appropriation, I do think there are cases where people cross over into objectionable cultural appropriation.

      A really good example was when white American college students wore fake native American headwear with significant cultural and spiritual importance as decoration for drunken parties. I can definitely sympathize with native Americans not wanting their culture treated with disrespect.

      • Zozano@aussie.zone
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        1 year ago

        Maybe it's just may way of looking at things, but I think for something to be culturally appropriated, it would need to be done with sincerity.

        Ironically dressing up in Native-American headwear for a frat-party doesn't seem like cultural appropriation, just kinda fucked up (like doing blackface).

  • serniebanders [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Throw another shrimp on the barbie i mean throw the sushi on the barbie