The first two projects they "invested" (gave huge loans) in Hungary to was the renovation of the Szeged-Budapest railroad that can't be used by passenger trains because fuck passengers and the campus of Fudan which will be mostly for rich foreigner kids (as was CEU) and is built in place of a housing project that would've meant low rent apartments for thousands of poor students. Both of these were given to a right wing gov by the way.
Call me a trot, but i don't see that much of a difference.
Considering china has an approach of cooperation and trade with anyone but with a strict rule of "non intervention", ie. not telling them at all what to do, couldn't this have more to do with Hungary and what they wanted to do?
With the first you might be right but every report that came out here (even from the left news site we have) said the chinese government knew that there was supposed to be a housing project where their campus will be built but actively pushed for it to be significantly narrowed down.
That's pretty bad. But i've always seen china basically just let the country they cooperate with do whatever, even if it's bad. I understand it, I don't know if it's a good or a bad thing in every situation but I absolutely get why they do it that way. Did china choose to put it there, or did they just invest in hungary-led project?
Oh also, a very important point, is this "china" as in a chinese private company, or an SOE? Private companies are still bad, even in china, they're just more regulated and pressured but from what I've seen they still do as many shitty things as they can get away with, especially abroad. The state has pushed back on this and punished a bunch but it'll still happen as long as those companies are... private companies.
It was announced this year, there was already a pretty big counter demo (which was called by a leftist/succdem rep candidate but was coopted by libs and was turned into an anti-china event in general thanks to mainstream lib media.
The problem is that what i can give you is in hungarian since it wasn't really picked up by mainstream media: https://merce.hu/search/fudan/ These are from our most left and popular news site.
And btw i wouldn't be complaining about this that much but anticapitalist left just seems to find its footing in hungary and this is used to feed anticommunist sentiments and is actively harming the movement, even if China isn't intervening.
I'm asking because I'm wondering why they would have made this decision (specifically wanting to build it where the housing project was), like what the intent is, is it accidental (they wanted it to be there for other reasons, not because they wanted the housing project to be removed or something), is it on purpose? For what reasons?
Also because I'm wondering if there might be internal weirdness in Fudan, considering in 2019 there seems to have been a lot of internal difficulties when the had to change their pledge to include "loyalty to the party" and following xi-jinping thought, and you had (according to wikipedia anyway) student protests against these things. Even a state-funded university might have issues, considering a lot of academia tends to be very lib.
I don't know where I'm going with this, but It feels like a very interesting event.
I don't know the actual reason either but if i would have to guess the reason probably is that that area was the largest available at the moment and China is pushing forward with the project because they want as much of BRI ready (since this is also supposed to be a part of that project) in the least time possible as they can. At least the things that leaked so far seem to indicate that.
Don't get me wrong btw this is a huge mismanagement of assets by the government as well, but in this case at least not taking a look at what their project erases is kinda not a good strategy here and it makes it even worse that this is actively hurting the movement here.
The first two projects they "invested" (gave huge loans) in Hungary to was the renovation of the Szeged-Budapest railroad that can't be used by passenger trains because fuck passengers and the campus of Fudan which will be mostly for rich foreigner kids (as was CEU) and is built in place of a housing project that would've meant low rent apartments for thousands of poor students. Both of these were given to a right wing gov by the way.
Call me a trot, but i don't see that much of a difference.
Considering china has an approach of cooperation and trade with anyone but with a strict rule of "non intervention", ie. not telling them at all what to do, couldn't this have more to do with Hungary and what they wanted to do?
With the first you might be right but every report that came out here (even from the left news site we have) said the chinese government knew that there was supposed to be a housing project where their campus will be built but actively pushed for it to be significantly narrowed down.
That's pretty bad. But i've always seen china basically just let the country they cooperate with do whatever, even if it's bad. I understand it, I don't know if it's a good or a bad thing in every situation but I absolutely get why they do it that way. Did china choose to put it there, or did they just invest in hungary-led project?
Oh also, a very important point, is this "china" as in a chinese private company, or an SOE? Private companies are still bad, even in china, they're just more regulated and pressured but from what I've seen they still do as many shitty things as they can get away with, especially abroad. The state has pushed back on this and punished a bunch but it'll still happen as long as those companies are... private companies.
It's Fudan, which is a state-owned university as far as i know.
And the info that were leaked was that they specifically chose the place where the housing project was planned.
Wow. That's very interesting, thanks for that info. Would you have a good source on this event, and do you know what year this happened in?
It was announced this year, there was already a pretty big counter demo (which was called by a leftist/succdem rep candidate but was coopted by libs and was turned into an anti-china event in general thanks to mainstream lib media.
The problem is that what i can give you is in hungarian since it wasn't really picked up by mainstream media: https://merce.hu/search/fudan/ These are from our most left and popular news site.
And btw i wouldn't be complaining about this that much but anticapitalist left just seems to find its footing in hungary and this is used to feed anticommunist sentiments and is actively harming the movement, even if China isn't intervening.
I'm asking because I'm wondering why they would have made this decision (specifically wanting to build it where the housing project was), like what the intent is, is it accidental (they wanted it to be there for other reasons, not because they wanted the housing project to be removed or something), is it on purpose? For what reasons? Also because I'm wondering if there might be internal weirdness in Fudan, considering in 2019 there seems to have been a lot of internal difficulties when the had to change their pledge to include "loyalty to the party" and following xi-jinping thought, and you had (according to wikipedia anyway) student protests against these things. Even a state-funded university might have issues, considering a lot of academia tends to be very lib.
I don't know where I'm going with this, but It feels like a very interesting event.
I don't know the actual reason either but if i would have to guess the reason probably is that that area was the largest available at the moment and China is pushing forward with the project because they want as much of BRI ready (since this is also supposed to be a part of that project) in the least time possible as they can. At least the things that leaked so far seem to indicate that.
Don't get me wrong btw this is a huge mismanagement of assets by the government as well, but in this case at least not taking a look at what their project erases is kinda not a good strategy here and it makes it even worse that this is actively hurting the movement here.
Agreed, it's a shame and it also contributes to anti-china sentiment.
People here really mix up critical support and stanning sometimes