There are also all the people who fit into one of the "we will do medical experiments on you without telling you because we don't see you as people" groups who are rightly cautious about the government doing a medical experiment on them again.
What experiment lol the people who think that way have typically been misinformed once again by irresponsible people or not informed adequately enough, it's not so much a genuine or reasonable reflex.
If you're poor, not white, or not a male, chances are pretty good people like you (and possibly even you) have been experimented upon by this government.
Yes, I know, I'm saying what is the relation to the covid vaccines? Vaccines are not experimental or whatever. The whole rhetoric around this is honestly just irresponsible af and leads to people avoiding the vaccines for no reason.
I know what happened, I don't understand what the relation to the covid vaccines is, like, is it reasonable to just keep refusing any kind of healthcare forever because tuskegee?
We need to be aware that our governments are experimenting on us right now. The use of extremely new technology with a sped up rollout is an experiment. Some would say it’s a roll of the dice.
The big difference is weather we see their experiments as trying to find a way to protect us or to protect themselves and their existing hierarchy.
Based on the history of the us government I know which one I think it is.
See that's exactly the bad takes that's gonna doom so many people.
How is it a "materialist" take? People just throw these words around without meaning, at this point materialism is when you are conspiratorial.
I mean, when you’re like “I’m a communist cia did coups and mkultra” you can’t whip around and reasonably say “trust the science”. Anyone listening will ask “hang on dude didn’t the same government that you can’t trust and want to replace do all those things?”
See, this is exactly the thing I am talking about. "I just don't trust the government" or whatever is not a materialist take, it's just a garden variety conspiratorial take where you just believe that the government (which has direct and complete control over every aspect of the process apparently) and every associated body is just actively trying to mess with you at all steps, without any evidence, a good indication, or even a good motive as to why (did the government just randomly decide "know what we're gonna do? We're gonna give everyone in the country and especially the wealthier segments of society some kind of poison, because eh, why the hell not" and then somehow convince the entire medical community too?). And then they irresponsibly spread these takes which result in poor people who need the vaccines the most being wary of vaccines, and leaving them to the rich people who are apparently in charge of this scheme but also dumb enough to get vaccinated en masse, or something.
Absolutely stuns me how this place can just flip flop from "vaccines should be mandatory and critics should be banned from media" to legit antivax talking points, or from saying "the first world hoards all the vaccines for themselves and doesn't care about poor countries" to "vaccines are being used on us to experiment"?
There are also all the people who fit into one of the "we will do medical experiments on you without telling you because we don't see you as people" groups who are rightly cautious about the government doing a medical experiment on them again.
What experiment lol the people who think that way have typically been misinformed once again by irresponsible people or not informed adequately enough, it's not so much a genuine or reasonable reflex.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States
If you're poor, not white, or not a male, chances are pretty good people like you (and possibly even you) have been experimented upon by this government.
Yes, I know, I'm saying what is the relation to the covid vaccines? Vaccines are not experimental or whatever. The whole rhetoric around this is honestly just irresponsible af and leads to people avoiding the vaccines for no reason.
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What does tuskegee have to do with the covid vaccines?
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Yes, what is the experiment here? What experiment is happening? What do the covid vaccines have to do with tuskegee?
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I know what happened, I don't understand what the relation to the covid vaccines is, like, is it reasonable to just keep refusing any kind of healthcare forever because tuskegee?
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See that's exactly the bad takes that's gonna doom so many people.
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How is it a "materialist" take? People just throw these words around without meaning, at this point materialism is when you are conspiratorial.
See, this is exactly the thing I am talking about. "I just don't trust the government" or whatever is not a materialist take, it's just a garden variety conspiratorial take where you just believe that the government (which has direct and complete control over every aspect of the process apparently) and every associated body is just actively trying to mess with you at all steps, without any evidence, a good indication, or even a good motive as to why (did the government just randomly decide "know what we're gonna do? We're gonna give everyone in the country and especially the wealthier segments of society some kind of poison, because eh, why the hell not" and then somehow convince the entire medical community too?). And then they irresponsibly spread these takes which result in poor people who need the vaccines the most being wary of vaccines, and leaving them to the rich people who are apparently in charge of this scheme but also dumb enough to get vaccinated en masse, or something.
Absolutely stuns me how this place can just flip flop from "vaccines should be mandatory and critics should be banned from media" to legit antivax talking points, or from saying "the first world hoards all the vaccines for themselves and doesn't care about poor countries" to "vaccines are being used on us to experiment"?
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The chuds quoting Tuskegee were never the ones who would have been in danger of it happening to them.
Fuck em.
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I just can't think of a single mass scale medical abuse happening to the racial majority.
Those things happen in LARGE part because of dehumanization and racism. The doctors carrying it out were not black. None of them were.
Its hard to disentangle that racism is a major factor of Tuskegee.
Its like ignoring that no ethnicity has ever genocided itself. Feels like you're missing a key ingredient of the imminent harm.
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