:tank
"Tankie is bad because I'm being equated to people with better opinions than me!"
curious.
Was this the breadtube guy who made some absolutely dog brained post about jan 6th where he said "But if we dont have a state, how will we stop the reactionaries?" in a sarcastic way like it was an actual argument against MLs?
I cant keep track anymore, I do remember for sure that BadEmpanada was the guy who called BayArea a "Dolezal" for supposedly being too light skinned in his videos.
Nooo he's actually bad he even said bad things about china :(((((((((((((
I wonder how many people here would call Maoist Third Worldists CIA assets or class traitors.
When was he ever on that? All I remember is is video on Xinjiang that came to the conclusion of "china does some bad things sometimes", which seems like an entirely reasonable take
His position is that China is genociding Uyghurs.
Edit: https://youtu.be/cz9ICFDk8Js?t=3831
“Is it perhaps a cultural genocide? That seems very possible, yes.”
pretty sure he explicitly says "I do not believe that China is genociding Uyghurs" in this video but I guess you're allowed to think that
https://youtu.be/cz9ICFDk8Js?t=3831
"Is it perhaps a cultural genocide? That seems very possible, yes."
I'm 20 minutes in and it's dogshit so far. I'll wait until he says "cultural genocide" or whatever
Keep going. At roughly the halfway point he flips and finds evidence to the contrary of China's wrongdoings and comes upon a pretty reasonable conclusion imo
he says it in this video lol https://youtu.be/89n21U6Q3_8?t=36 He may have misspoke but like this seems pretty clear on what he thinks.
And I don't say "china stan" as if china is bad, by the way, I think China is obviously far better than the USA, and it's system, y'know, isn't great in terms of social progression, but it's something that capitalist countries should seek to replicate
He then goes on to say that he doesn't support China, critically, because he doesn't support any countries, despite thinking some are better than others.
Is that really that bad of a take? Sounds fine to me.
People want corroboration in their beliefs, not a nuanced take they are allowed to disagree with
nah critical support for China is ok as long as it’s actually undying support.
This isn't what he said in the part I was pointing out though. I agree that this take that you are quoting isn't bad by any means and is somewhat reasonable even if I don't agree. Saying "there's a spectrum of what these people call tankies and it goes from anyone with a material critique of society to random china stans genocide deniers...". I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt I thought his previous video on China that you referenced is fine, but "china stans genocide deniers" is a bad look.
"Genocide deniers"
Hmm I wonder what genocide he's talking about 🤔
He acknowledges that there’s no genocide by the established legal definition. He seems to be supportive of the idea that there could be potential “cultural genocide” or cultural destruction though. It seems reasonable to assume at this point that the Xinjiang government likely overreacted with its counter-terrorism/anti-Salafi extremism/anti-separatism campaign and had at least some false positives, but even the claim of cultural genocide comes off as a reach at this point that relies on lots of wild speculation from westerners, poor and biased sources/translations, and conflicting evidence at best.
BadEmpanada is either not aware of Xinjiang’s new bilingual education policy or maybe he thinks mandating learning Mandarin to improve economic opportunity in addition to still learning the Uyghur language is somehow an example of cultural destruction (also a reach). It should also be noted that far-right takfiri Salafism and its foreign ultra-conservative customs (niqab/burqa/very long unkempt beards/bans on singing and dance) opposes traditional Uyghur culture (as Uyghur Muslims have traditionally been moderate Hanafi that don't even observe hijab), but there was a recent rise in Salafi/Wahhabi extremism and terrorism from the late 80s to the 2010s (Salafi jihadism and extremism was a major problem throughout Central Asia during this time and Muslim-majority Central Asian governments have used very similar counter-terrorism/anti-extremism measures). Uyghurs from southern Xinjiang tend to be poorer and more conservative than Uyghurs from eastern or northern Xinjiang. Uneven development, high unemployment in the private sector, profiling, lack of education, water scarcity, poor infrastructure, rising Salafi extremism, language barriers, poverty, and lack of inclusive growth were all problems that got neglected for decades in Xinjiang (southern Xinjiang especially) and are only recently getting seriously addressed.
An economist’s critique of BadEmpanada video: https://archive.is/LJd6A
Uyghur public school in 2021: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EopbwS97Whc&t=5s
An interview of a deradicalization program graduate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p57qyMAySYc
An interview with a Xinjiang imam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO2jqDQfeko&t=1s
Xinjiang government response to questions regarding boarding schools: https://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202001/21/WS5e264e31a31012821727262b.html
A Uyghur’s nuanced take on Xinjiang from 2014: https://news.ifeng.com/a/20140507/40186213_0.shtml
That's not a reasonable take here. People here lost their shit over the take that "maybe detaining people because they have a beard which is a telltale sign of being a CIA agent muslim terrorist is not so good".
Dude don't get people started. I agree, but it will just become one long video essay vs another over shit nobody here can impact seriously
BRO CAREFUL, YOUR DENYING THE GENOCIDE IS KILLING MUSLIMS DOOOOOD. YOU ARE NOW AT FAULT FOR THE DEATH OF THESE PEOPLE. STOPPPP
there were some slapfights on the cth sub way back when (he was NotArgentina or something like that)
glad it didn't make it into his videos
The guy lives in Argentina and is influenced by their definition of genocide which was used against the dictatorship there.
He also shills for the supposedly "leftist" government here so he can go eat sixteen tons of shit.
Yeah he made a really fucking racist accusation of BayArea "faking" being latino.
Nah this was a while before the doxxing, I think they had a dispute over something and BadEmpanada decided to claim Bay was lying about being bullied for being latino growing up because he doesnt have a strong enough accent in his videos and Empanada decided that his skin was too light, just really fucking racist shit to accuse anyone of.
No, the response to that was that maybe it's not the most clever thing to use your reddit username where you complain about how hard it is to be a foreclosure lawyer for your revolution youtube channel.
"There is some misinformation/rumors that I "evicted individuals or families for banks." I have never participated in residential foreclosures nor evicted anyone. I have either assisted property owners negotiating with businesses to buy out land during leasing disputes, or just recover property that was straight up abandoned thru the courts (commercial foreclosures). I have never evicted individuals/families for banks, landlords, etc."
Thanks for posting this. That distinction makes sense. Unsurprised the people attacking him intentionally "misunderstood" the difference.
Fair point, honestly. Weird that he wouldn't switch accounts to something that didn't have his area code and job attached. Hope he's doing okay.
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