• el_abuelo@lemmy.ml
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      8 months ago

      A picture speaks a thousand words. So that must mean this picture speaks 1006 words.

      I take your point though - I could be brainwashed by the propaganda. As could you. And we're both certain that we're not. Except my country actually has a free press, doesn't imprison detractors, and has released the verifiable evidence of war crimes being committed.

      The west doesn't really need to do much propaganda - dropping bombs on cities, targeting civilian buildings and infrastructure, and launching a full scale invasion of a sovereign country speaks for itself.

      I think you should take a look at your own post.

      • Krause [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
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        8 months ago

        Except my country actually has a free press

        6 companies control all media in America

        doesn’t imprison detractors

        Julian Assange, and when they don't imprison them they just straight up murder them like they did with Gary Webb

        and has released the verifiable evidence of war crimes being committed

        Like the incubator babies? Or maybe you mean Iraq's WMDs

        The west doesn’t really need to do much propaganda

        lol, lmao

        dropping bombs on cities, targeting civilian buildings and infrastructure, and launching a full scale invasion of a sovereign country speaks for itself

        "The West" does all of this

          • Krause [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
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            8 months ago

            You claimed the West has free press and doesn't imprison detractors, I gave you 3 examples of how this is not true, how is this "whataboutism"?

          • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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            8 months ago

            Whataboutism was originally used to defend Jim Crow any time the Soviet Union brought up how amerikkka is an apartheid state

            Whataboutism is an inherently thought terminating idea, to not be able to compare two similar things is downright anti human

            No it may be worse than that, even insects can compare two things

            Says a lot more about you that you even use that as an argument

            • el_abuelo@lemmy.ml
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              8 months ago

              The problem with your logic is that "they did it first, so we're going to do it second" leads to a never ending cycle of violence.

              I'm not saying it didn't happen, or doesn't matter because it's the West, I'm just saying that "west bad" is a fucking shit reason to kill 1m people invading another country.

                  • boboblaw [he/him, they/them]
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                    8 months ago

                    No, I'm asking you for a solution to what you called a "problem with our logic".

                    The problem with your logic is that "they did it first, so we're going to do it second" leads to a never ending cycle of violence.

                    If you shouldn't respond to bad faith with bad faith, what should you do?

      • voight [he/him, any]
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        8 months ago

        Youtube — John McCain and Lindsay Graham tell neo nazis to cement the damage done by the 2014 coup and be their holy warriors against Russia https://youtube.com/watch?v=lMMvSiVkjfg

        https://invidious.no-logs.com/watch?v=lMMvSiVkjfg YT mirror for convenience

        They went and electrocuted babushkas through the kidneys. They build grandmas different in Donetsk so she kept on fighting. Online Ukraine supporters don't have it in them. I'm surprised you haven't moved back to trashing 🇻🇪 or something alteady considering things are going south. https://sputnikglobe.com/20230721/the-truth-about-ukrainian-war-crimes-against-donbass-civilians-1112031958.html

        https://thegrayzone.com/2023/12/11/ukrainian-maidan-massacre-false-flag/

        https://covertactionmagazine.com/2023/07/17/the-lord-of-the-underworld-meet-the-paratrooper-from-north-carolina-who-orchestrated-the-war-in-ukraine/

        https://covertactionmagazine.com/2023/02/03/how-a-network-of-nazi-propagandists-helped-lay-the-groundwork-for-the-war-in-ukraine/

        https://mronline.org/2022/06/13/how-monsters-who-beat-jews-to-death-in-1944-became-americas-favorite-freedom-fighters-in-1945/

      • ElHexo [comrade/them]
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        8 months ago

        Except my country actually has a free press

        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/15/all-lies-how-the-us-military-covered-up-gunning-down-two-journalists-in-iraq

        • el_abuelo@lemmy.ml
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          8 months ago

          Too many replies in this thread to read the article. Could you just summarise your point and I'll read it if I don't believe you?

          • voight [he/him, any]
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            8 months ago

            Are you expecting people to take you seriously when you can't read a few dozen pages? Aren't you an adult?

              • voight [he/him, any]
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                8 months ago

                That an adult should be able to devote the attention span to read about something they pretend to care about, instead of demanding to be spoon-fed. That's what you're asking for, "can you break my food down for me first".

                I'm capable of writing articles like these in practically no time at all. Instead of begrudging free information that's suppressed by our fucking government with propaganda, why don't you crack it open? But you'd rather be a child like every redditor and complain about being handed real solid gold.

      • voight [he/him, any]
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        8 months ago

        Before we begin wading through laborious examples of Ukrainian fake news, and their own deliberate terror bombing of civilians in Donetsk since they rebelled against the post-Maidan government, here's a forensic takedown of the Bucha lie by the same guy who did the article I linked about the Maidan.

        https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/04/06/was-alleged-russian-army-massacre-of-civilians-at-bucha-actually-a-false-flag-event-staged-by-ukrainian-nazis/

        A simple look at the way Israel operates reveals what terror bombing against urban areas, rather than attacks calculated to limit casualties to limit the international & domestic fallout of Russian intervention in Ukraine, actually looks like. And it resembles exactly how the Ukrainians have used precision missiles to attack concerts and homes and community centers. It's disgusting. The numbers speak for themselves, but thankfully we have enormous eyewitness accounts in Gaza and Donetsk of the horror. Western sources reported on it before we decided to go hard against Russia and it was reserved for people like Patrick Lancaster.

      • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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        8 months ago

        Except my country actually has a free press, doesn't imprison detractors, and has released the verifiable evidence of war crimes being committed

        doubt