What is it?

  • comi [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    matter really exists and determines the world, your mental states and (in historical part) society states

    • wmz [any]
      hexagon
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      edit-2
      3 years ago

      but what is matter? isn't all of the world matter? if I believe god is real, they are matter too?

      • comi [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        All the world is matter, yes, outside of your mental state and society structures. Ah, I don’t think popular religions claim god to be material force, or you could see it/he/she

        • wmz [any]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          what is an example of something that isn't matter?

          • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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            edit-2
            3 years ago

            Religion used to be a big deal. If you consider history from thr perspective of a helenistic person. They would accept non-matwtial causes for effects they see. So divine interventions, or spiritual forces.

          • comi [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            You being happy is not matter. It is connected to underlying material reality (hormones, neurochemicals, some neurons firing up), but it is not a matter, it’s a state.

            Capitalism is not matter - remove all humans from the world, where is capitalism?

            You conception of dog is not matter, you can see and tell something is a dog, yet, without humans there is no concept of a dog as such

            • wmz [any]
              hexagon
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              3 years ago

              happy is a description of my state. therefore, it is describing matter.

              by your logic, all words are merely conceptions that don't exist without humans, so are they not matter now?

              • comi [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                Yes, they aren’t, and no its not. Happy as in the exact state of neurons I described is material reality, happy as in your state is not.

                Matter exists objectively, words don’t.

                • wmz [any]
                  hexagon
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                  3 years ago

                  so basically, you make the distinction between the world(is matter), and human perception(isn't matter). However, we know that thoughts influence our actions. Since we are part of the world, we are matter, and something that isn't matter(our thoughts) is affecting matter. Is this still materialism?

                  • comi [he/him]
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                    3 years ago

                    In material conception matter is primary. Human consciousness, a subjective, is perceiving the world not as it is, we see reflection of the world in our senses/perceptions in our mind. Subjective idealism, for example, supposes that all this reflections are a real world, which has certain consequences.

                    Your actions are done by your material body, material output of your actions, you can’t will yourself to change material world, there is no telekinesis basically.

          • comi [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Don’t do my gal photon like that