• hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      Somehow the worker's party didn't decide to help the Democratic party pass some minimal reforms like paid parental leave.

        • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          Yeah, but with just Cotton and Hawley alone Manchin and Sinema become irrelevant.

          • volkvulture [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            Not really, because GOP is a unified party even without Trump at the helm

            Sinema & Manchin prove that the Dems are controlled opposition

    • volkvulture [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/01/27/business/economy/republican-party-voters-income.html

      • comi [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Considering there is no class consciousness, it’s mainly counterjerks this one sucked, let’s try this one. American r-d pendulum is fairly consistent

        • volkvulture [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          “There were a lot of union votes that did flip,” acknowledged Stacey Benson-Taylor, Dayton regional director of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees. “That’s kind of hard to explain.”

          Phil Plummer, the Montgomery County Republican chairman, argues that “a lot of union people switched to the Republican Party because they felt the Democrats had left them.” Ms. Klein of Co-op Dayton put it this way: “Dayton consistently showed up for Democrats, and Democrats didn’t show up for Dayton.”

          Seems pretty class conscious to me. Sure yeah, workers aren't going to get much if anything from either party, but when the "Blue Team" that supposedly champions unions & the poor totally abandons all semblance of good faith, we can't be surprised about these shifts

          • comi [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Yeah, but it’s how to say it, grandfathered unions, from period of consciousness.

            They see themselves getting fucked over by both parties, and vote whatever, for party national bourgeoisie cause it’s their bosses at least, instead of international bourgeoisie. That’s not consciousness, that’s choosing your cage in golden color with nicer water :shrug-outta-hecks:

            • volkvulture [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              So deindustrialized areas with failing public school education & sky-rocketing crime rates, where public-sector unions are perhaps one of the last functional bastions of class consciousness, actually just aren't class conscious enough for you? lmao

              when are you just going to say, "fuck the poor if they don't Democrat" ?

              • comi [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                Until they tar and feather at least one politician and judge - no, lol.

                They vote what they believe is their best interest - party of national/local/petit bourgeoisie, cause international burgers will fuck them even harder. Again that not conscious, that’s survival instincts

                • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                  3 years ago

                  Sounds like fedposting... they tried this in Michigan & supposedly had a plan to kill public officials & the idiots in that group were primarily FBI & CI's lol

                  If this shift from the Dems is done primarily with the recognition that Democrats failed, then it's class conscious as hell

                  • comi [he/him]
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                    3 years ago

                    But their reasoning was masks and covid restrictions, again that’s not worker consciousness. I’m not advocating, I’m saying it’s an indicator.

                    They, presumably, cheered that Supreme Court fuck who said it’s legal to freeze driver to death, cause contract. Riddle me this, where is the worker anger at that?

      • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
        hexagon
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        3 years ago

        Exit polling indicates thar Democrats won low income voters by significant margins in 2016 and 2020. Working class voting for Republicans is mostly just bullshit.

        • volkvulture [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          "Exit polling" during the largest Postal voting campaign in America's history?

          "Because exit polls can't reach people who voted by postal ballot or another form of absentee voting, they may be biased towards certain demographics and miss swings that only occur among absentee voters."

          In specific states these things break down according to "Red State" & "Blue State" realities. Texas & Indiana & Ohio have high income Republican voters whereas Connecticut and New Jersey and other solidly blue states have extremely high income Dem voters

          https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/compare/party-affiliation/by/state/among/income-distribution/100000-or-more/

          This survey was done in 2014, but just look at how Virginia has shifted in the last few years.

          https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/09/us/virginia-elections-democrats-republicans.html

          Extremely high income & extremely liberal attitudes

          • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
            hexagon
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            3 years ago

            2016 didn't have large mail in voting numbers. Besides, lower income folks aren't likely to be highly represented in mail-in voting.

            Who cares about party registry, look at how people are voting. The working class continues to predominantly vote for the Democratic party. They are far from ideal, but it's insane to think Republicans represent the working class.

            • volkvulture [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              If you can point to some data that bears this out, I would be glad to engage with it. We know that large shifts in the upper middle-class formerly red suburbs caused many of these flipped newly Blue districts to crop up

              Working class predominantly doesn't vote at all... and neither party "represents" them