I have a half-written effortpost about this but it’s not coherent enough yet. Basically I think that, in the same way capitalism makes it so we can only relate to leftist theory through the lens of consumption and consumer identity, we can only sculpt culture in ways that are fundamentally about competition for attention or liberal morality politics. Would appreciate feedback

  • OgdenTO [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I think that the goal is to create social norms that don't alienate anyone, and support class solidarity. This is achievable. Your social group should be pointing out and working together to eliminate these not so pc comparisons

    • KermitTheFraud [they/them]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      I don’t think that is achievable. It’s not a zero sum game, but it’s not a perfectly optimizable one either, at least not without a cultural revolution. The very act of insisting on examining social norms will alienate a lot of people. This almost always makes for a more enjoyable experience imo, but it doesn’t make it less true. And then the negotiation over which social norms to deconstruct and what to replace them with is another set of compromises

      • OgdenTO [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I don't think I understand what you're talking about.

        You appear to be saying that it's not possible to discuss social norms without being offensive to some groups - to me that's one of the main goals of communism.

        Work towards being good to your comrades, don't punch down, don't alienate, it can be done.

        • KermitTheFraud [they/them]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          It’s not that it’s not possible ever. It’s that it’s not currently possible. It can be done in small groups who make it their goal and work at it. It’s a beautiful thing. But bringing that to scale and convincing larger groups to adopt those same goals hasn’t been fruitful so far