I genuinely have no idea where the joke came from but it seems pretty big since I've heard it IRL a few times now. Where did this come from?

  • CopsDyingIsGood [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Lotta people on this site think people from New Jersey are Italian for some reason

    • hahafuck [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Europeans love saying you can't be their nationality unless you've lived there your whole life and have a thousand years of pure blood because they are all very racist

      • CopsDyingIsGood [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Well you can't be Italian if you were being in new Jersey, you've never been to Italy, and you don't speak the language. Europeans being racist doesn't make this not true.

        • hahafuck [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          No, but you can be an Italian-American and feel a meaningful connection with Italy, even with all those being true. Usually these forms of admittedly (and understandably) far-removed hybrid nationality are passed down by older generations within their family, so they are really more familial than national. They are then reinforced by cultural institutions and in media. Its not like WASPs (which is what people mean when they say "you're just a plain American") wake up one day and decide they want to feel a connection with some random country they pick on a map.

          I can't really put to words why its such a bother to me, but I can say this. Reactionaries in the home country always shit on the diaspora for being no longer really an authentic part of the nation. Reactionaries in America often try to call for the same; "You're American now, act like it! (Read: act like a white protestant anglo)", while at the same time only really allowing 'whites' to do so. Its reactionary on its face to think of national identity as this immutable purely defined thing that you need the right blood and to be on the right soil for. Who cares if diaspora populations, even 4th gen ones, want to feel an identity they are maybe a little distant from? Let people live and don't be like a reactionary!

          • CopsDyingIsGood [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Hard disagree. Ethnicity is fake and obsessing over it is a uniquely American form of brainworms. "Italian"-Americans are just Americans

            • hahafuck [they/them]
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              3 years ago

              Gender is also fake but I don't go around telling people they don't have a right to identify as they like because they don't meet my standards for defining the fake thing

              • CopsDyingIsGood [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                Sure, but nobody out there is using their gender as a way to harm other people. Unlike "Italian" Americans, for example, who love to use their "italianness" to argue for the continued generation of Christopher Columbus.

                Non WASP White people who obsess over their ethnicity are essentially stealing oppression valor from actually oppressed people. The same is not true w gender

                • hahafuck [they/them]
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                  3 years ago

                  People absolutely do use their gender to harm people its called men lmao

                  I think its bad when Irish or Italians do the "hey we had it tough too" thing but that is just a thing they do that is annoying, like so many things they do that are annoying, and not inherent to the concept of ethnicity and lots of other American hybridized ethnicities don't do that because they don't have that history to draw on. Maybe we should just ban Irish and Italian as ethnicities and let the others have it.

        • Dewot523 [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Holy shit. Rachel Dolezal was just West Coast New Jersey Excellence.