• please_dont [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I mean your position on NK is irrellevant and asking what i personaly think about China or the USSR is irrellevant to the question and to the argument and explenation of the existance and withering away of the state as laid out by marxism. The question was

    If you cant point to specific points in the existance of the USSR, Cuba , NK, Vietnam , China where in your opinion the state could have withered away to the benifit of the project and its existance but didnt then you saing " the state of an Communist project can never wither way" is ahistorical and based on nothing

    Rojava and the Zapatistas have both been taking territory without needing a formal state now that a giant Socialist state isn’t sending in troops to quash dissent.

    Rojava basicaly has a state. You would be hard pressed to find people in rojava, or leftists that have visited and fought there saying they dont have a state.Being more decentralized on some matters doesnt make you not a state. Maoist China for decades was extremely decentralized by "USSR" standards.Also even tho i support it, Rojava's existance as an "independent" project also was impossible without support and on the grounds presence by the greatest capitalist and imperialist superpower on earth and the momment they left they only avoided genocide and complete collapse by the turks because Assad and the Syrian state jumbed in, with which they had to now strike a deal. Also some of their "taking territory" included occupying and helping US occupy large part of syria's breadbasket and oil field and that still only happened because of the civil war and chaos western intervention brought to Syria

    What zapatistas have done in their territory is amazing as far as the structure of their society goes but its no way comparable or scalable to any historical communist project .If the US or even Mexico really gave a shit about getting rid of the Zapatistas, they’d have done so. They only have like 10k people in poorly armed militias,occuppy less than 1/20th of mexico and it being mainly jungle, they have expanded barely to more than 10% of their original size in many decades and their combined population isn’t even half a million. They’re just a relatively small amount of people living in small villages in a jungle of little geopolitical importance not really caring about industrialization or any urban development. They don’t have a lot of infrastructure (that’s kind of the point behind their rebellion, they do not WANT a lot of industrial development because it goes contrary to their way of life), they have little modern equipment, little organization in their military, and they just rely on social cohesion and Mexico not being interested enough in a large organized suppression. They were mostly left to their own devices by Mexico cause they arent a threat to neither capital or that state and even their historical clashes put together have been minascule compared to the amount of warfare,undermining and agression on every front a state like Cuba had to face. The momment global capital or just the US diverted an iota of their attention to crush the Zapatistas they would have . That doesnt mean you shouldnt support them, it means its a local project posing little threat to domestic , let alone global capital, unscallable model to even a fraction of what was needed for actual socialist revolutions and countries to survive