• aramettigo [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    Only you know what you need.

    Can you visualize a scenario where you could live a worthy life outside the core?

    • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      This is a bit too hand wavy. The point I was implying was, if we need a bunch of money and a visa to find such a place it's not really a practical goal for most of us here.

        • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          I guess I wasn't clear, I'm pretty far beyond "can I visualize living a worthy life outside the core" and I'm into "is it at all feasible or practical to pursue this goal". I'm also pretty sure it's neither feasible nor practical.

          • aramettigo [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            Feasible or practical from what perspective? People are motivated to move from the periphery to the core every day, with nothing. A tougher life change generally. Surely the reverse is possible if the only alternative is petty crime and rebellion.

            Don't want to come across as confrontational, it's fine if you don't want to discuss granular details or personal circumstances. I do think that it's possible for motivated people to move from the core to live a worthy life, fwiw.

              • aramettigo [none/use name]
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                3 years ago

                I don't know your life and you don't know mine. If we're both posting here let's assume some good faith.

                • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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                  3 years ago

                  It's a pretty easy assumption to make since I keep pointing out that it's expensive to move to another country and you keep brushing past it like cost is not something you really worry about.

                  • aramettigo [none/use name]
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                    3 years ago

                    Not sure how productive this converstation can be at this stage.

                    It seems like you really want me to be bougie or something.

                    I'm saying that people make the more difficult + costly migration to the core all the time. We should be able to at least visualize doing the opposite if we believe the only alternative is a life of petty crimes and ineffective rebellion.

            • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              Have you ever looked into immigration requirements? They're almost universally pretty steep. If I was the kind of desired worker that grants eligible status to emigrate to most countries, I'd be financially comfortable here in the core. I'm also pretty sure being a white american moving to another country and trying to agitate or organize is pretty much "white savior" bullshit. The best thing we in the core can do to as far as I can tell is to contribute to weakening the oligarchy.

              • aramettigo [none/use name]
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                3 years ago

                It's generally possible for english speakers to move from the core and live a local standard of living. It isn't as pretty as we're used to but we're talking about a worthy alternative to a life of futile gestures. The saviour bullshit, to me, is the type of resistance that you seem to be advocating.

                Fully agree that people who choose to remain in the core should contribute to weakening the oligarchy. I don't think crimes + rebellion will weaken anything.