• star_wraith [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      OK so you come in shitting on one of the US' only good orgs, call them electoralist when they explicitly are not, and cite accusations made by a Gonzalo-supporting website?

      :amogus:

      • SuperDullesBros [comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        So I’m an former member, my partner and I left because the org has a problem with covering up sexual assault. We counted six different branches that covered up assault.

        One even involved gloria la riva herself and someone else I thought was a comrade, driving to sacramento to basically tell someone who was assaulted to STFU and that they were being counterrevolutionary by wanting the assaulter to be kicked out the party.

    • DasKarlBarx [he/him,comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      Ok PSL is like hexbears favorite party (not that they actually join) but my only interaction with them is running into them at some anti-police protests.

      So I'm always interested to hear people's opinion on them, why do you not like them?

      • Owl [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I've seen PSL send people to picket lines, anti-police protests, climate marches, and elected officials' homes. I don't know what else you'd want from a party.

        • DasKarlBarx [he/him,comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          I agree with you, but you could apply the same to DSA but that gets much more of a angry response around these parts.

          • Owl [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            I've only seen the DSA at the women's march and pride. (PSL was at both of those too lol.)

            If your local DSA is better, you should by all means work with them instead.

          • Vncredleader [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Sure, and saying that for PSL obviously gets angry responses as well as evidenced here.

            • DasKarlBarx [he/him,comrade/them]
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              3 years ago

              What angry responses are here? There's just one person saying they don't like them and a much larger cohort defending the org. Lol

              • Vncredleader [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                Calling it Hexbear's "favorite party" and saying people wouldn't actually join has serious "I am just joking, its satire" vibes. making a broad unfounded claim and then going "lol" comes off an angry or shitstiring. Sorry if that was not your intent, but the instant bitching that everyone here apparently loves and defends it and right away deflecting to some generalized idea of reactions to DSA is bad faith.

                I count 2 posts excluding your own that are negative. I will never get this; enter a conversation with an inflammatory claim and then ask others to take sides based on your own argument. if not angry, that's :reddit-logo: shit. DSA has far more people defending it on this site, and plenty of critique of PSL, yet you claim PSL is a darling here and despite acting like you have no dog in this, deflect to "well actually DSA does those things to" when positives are mentioned. How is that not being anti-PSL? Your framing an argument you want to happen by stating there are these two distinct sides on the board with one supposedly being preeminent and a darling despite.....like every 3rd thread about it.

                Hell @mrbigcheese makes regular positive threads and updates about DSA here, far more than anyone does for PSL. Claiming PSL is favored and then bouncing to any positives being positives for DSA as if that has bearing on its support is an active attempt to form a narrative and equate any pro-PSL sentiment with dislike of DSA. You don't make that bs claim and steer responses to complaining about DSA being unfairly maligned, and then pretend like that's some good natured questioning with no intent or anger towards PSL. If you didn't want to make a negative response to PSL getting praise, then why would you deflect the reasons off to DSA vs PSL and again make generalizations that are far from accurate? If I was pissed at PSL and wanted to start beef about it, that is exactly what I would do tactically. You're generalizations told us what you feel; you think PSL is unfairly supported because people say positive things about it, and that any good it does you feel should instead be support for DSA as if compliments are finite and exclusive with DSA being unfairly treated. Again if not angry, then certainly miffed

                • DasKarlBarx [he/him,comrade/them]
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                  3 years ago

                  Sorry if you thought my comments were negative towards PSL, I've had nothing but good interactions with the org when I've worked with them in other orgs I'm in. I was genuinely curious why someone had a negative view of them.

                  I'm honestly not going to respond to the rest of the post because you're taking me in pretty bad faith and incredibly seriously then when I'm just dicking around, so it's probably best to just leave it.

                  Sorry I seem to have struck a nerve, wasn't my intention.