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    • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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      3 years ago
      1. You can get reinfected with the same variant. We have seen immunity fade over time, both natural and from vaccines.

      2. That makes him even more wrong.

      • PlantsRstillCool [des/pair]
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        3 years ago

        You can get reinfected with the same variant. We have seen immunity fade over time, both natural and from vaccines.

        Do you know any where i can read more about this?

        From what I have seen previous infection is extremely effective at preventing reinfection

        • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          They found that reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 in people who had not received a vaccine could occur as soon as 3 months after initial infection, with a median risk of reinfection within 16 months, under endemic conditions.

          https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/coronavirus-reinfection-how-long-might-natural-immunity-last#Analyzing-the-data

          One example, but the even bigger issue is that those future variants he's talking about in his comment could just bypass this immunity completely.

          • PlantsRstillCool [des/pair]
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            3 years ago

            That's just for the unvaccinated and with a median risk of 16 months that's pretty long.

            For the vaccinated i don't think reinfection should be much of a concern. I agree that the real danger is the emergence of new variants

            • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              A median risk means half the people will fall below it - the point I'm making is reinfection can occur and even if Omicron became endemic, the commenter should be expecting to catching it approximately every 1.5 years for the rest of his life. Considering the risk of complications and possible long-term effects, that would be catastrophic on a population-level.

              None of this matters because new variants are guaranteed and, as you point out, that's a larger risk of escaping immunity. Any idea people have of "natural immunity" helping with this pandemic is and has always been pure cope.

              The funniest part is his comment is specifically about catching Omicron instead of a potentially more deadly variant, which Omicron probably wouldn't make you immune to and you would still catch.

              • PlantsRstillCool [des/pair]
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                3 years ago

                Isn't there a possibility that Omicron spreads through the population that it burns itself out? Wouldn't this decrease the risk of a new worse varient emerging?

                • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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                  3 years ago

                  It's the opposite - the more it spreads, the higher the chance of variants forming. The article in OP touches on this, plus the possibility of variants forming in animal populations.

                  It's clear we need effective strategies to deal with these kinds of pandemics (like China), and that the "let it spread and hope" method the west is adopting is going to kill a lot of people and make things worse.

                  • PlantsRstillCool [des/pair]
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                    3 years ago

                    I agree totally about china showing the correct way forward.

                    However I'm hesitant to buy into all the latest covid doomerism. The idea that a new and more contagious and more deadly and vaccine escaping variant seems not certain to me

                  • PlantsRstillCool [des/pair]
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                    3 years ago

                    Hello friend!

                    It's not just that variants must emerge but they must out compete all other variants and have immune escape. What are the chances that a more deadly and more contagious and immune escaping variant emerges?