tl;dr - Stewart said he doesn't think Joe Rogan is an "ideologue in any way." His advice to artists is: "Don't leave, don't abandon, don't censor, engage." He went on to call the musicians’ reactions to Rogan’s comments about the coronavirus “overblown.”
Musicians Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, David Crosby, Stephen Stills, and more have requested the streaming platform remove their music
Jon Stewart believes the musicians boycotting Spotify over Joe Rogan are overreacting.
The former "Daily Show" host shared his hot take on musicians Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, David Crosby, Stephen Stills, and more who have requested their music be removed from the streaming platform on a recent episode of his podcast "The Problem with Jon Stewart."
"First of all, I love Neil Young and I love Neil Young's music but the idea that it was worth $4 billion in value to Spotify caught me off guard," Stewart said. "When he pulled his music off of Spotify and Spotify went that I was like, hm, that didn't seem right."
Stewart said he doesn't think Joe Rogan is an "ideologue in any way."
His advice to artists is: "Don't leave, don't abandon, don't censor, engage."
"We all exist in this world and on this planet. There's no question that there is egregious misinformation that's purposeful and hateful…and that being moderated is a credit to the platforms that run them," Stewart said. "But this overreaction to Rogan, I think, is a mistake."
He went on to call the musicians' reactions to Rogan's comments about the coronavirus "overblown."
"I think there are dishonest bad actors in the world and identifying those is so much more important to me," he added.
David Crosby and Stephen Stills are the latest artists who have joined their Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young bandmates and asked that the platform remove their music.
"We support Neil [Young] and we agree with him that there is dangerous disinformation being aired on Spotify's Joe Rogan podcast," Crosby, 80; Stills, 77; and Graham Nash, 80, said in a joint statement shared on Twitter on Wednesday.
Nash had already removed his music from Spotify.
"While we always value alternative points of view, knowingly spreading disinformation during this global pandemic has deadly consequences," the rockers continued. "Until real action is taken to show that a concern for humanity must be balanced with commerce, we don't want our music – or the music we made together – to be on the same platform."
Young was the first artist to pull his content from the streamer over the information in Rogan's podcast.
Other artists to have pulled their music from Spotify in protest of Rogan's content include Joni Mitchell, India.Arie and Nils Lofgren.
Rogan broke his silence on the controversy on Sunday in a nearly 10-minute-long video. He spoke about the challenges of preparing for his shows that are unscripted and free-flowing. He defended his interviews with Dr. Peter McCullough, a cardiologist, and Dr. Robert Malone, an infectious disease specialist, that resulted in some criticism and apparently led to Young's decision to call on his songs being removed from the platform.
He challenged the word "misinformation" given that so much is still being learned about COVID-19. He said Spotify will begin to put a disclaimer at the beginning of these sorts of interviews, and he will also consider following them up with an expert with a different opinion.
Jon wants people to buy his podcast so he can get a paycheck for saying how extreme the left has become and join this circus of Gen X boomers.
So many Gen-Xers solved their "meh" ennui by being junior Boomers. :grillman:
"Unlike you idiot conservatives, we enlightened liberals have finally figured out what America's problem is: our kids trying to change too much too quickly."
hey remember when Jon Stewart pushed the Wuhan lab leak theory on TV? yea
First appearance in years. "Science is great, it really is, yay science ... but sometimes it goes too far."
I still can't believe I used to think late night talk show hosts would tell us how to defeat fascism.
Do you think he talked this over with Jeff and the Obamas at dinner?
That's a given. The only question is what the $10,000 meal consisted of.
Probably some fuck shit. At my old job I would sometimes have to go up to this exclusive rich people club at the top floor of a building downtown and what they served for lunch would be like a bad looking salad with ritz crackers, cubed cheese, and like two scoops of lump crab meat on top(because fancy). Or like meatloaf and shrimp with mashed potatoes and ketchup. Imagine being rich as fuck staring out over the city, looking down your nose at all the poors and you're eating a bowl of steamed green beans and crinkle-cut carrots.
Thinking about that Reddit post about the chef who was complaining that the wealthy family they cooked for didn't like the fancy food they prepared so they switched to making instant mashed potatoes and they liked that a lot better.
Even if Rogan isn't an ideologue in the original sense of the word, at the very least he's an empty canvass that has been painted over with an extremely right wing brush. He's gone from calling anti-vaxxers insane lunatics, to becoming one himself within the past couple of years. Generally wouldn't be that big of a deal, except, you know, the guy has a significant fucking listener base that is only increasing due to him being plugged into the media feedback loop.
It shows that Jon Stewart isn't really focusing his ire on the true elephant in the room, which is Spotify. It's clear that Spotify doesn't give a flying fuck about Rogan being a significant catalyst towards the spread of misinformation. If that feedback loop keeps bringing in more listeners, the 100 million dollar deal starts to look like a bargain. This idea that Rogan is going to get canceled is absurd. When you have wrecker class traitors like Krystal Ball defending the guy, you already know which side has the clout in the culture war
Stewart (And Colbert while we're at it) may have been early heroes and guiding forces in the political development of many here (Including me), but it's clear at this point that we've left them far behind.
It's not that they've changed, fundamentally they're still pretty much who they were 15-20 years ago or whatever, it's us who have changed.
Rogan has become an ideologue since the beginning of Covid or at least until Covid became an inconvenience for him. He did have a mix of chuds and lefties on a few years ago but now he’s already made up his mind on several issues.
I know of several loyal listeners who won’t get the vaccine and my guess it’s because of Rogan.
But I will say the strange thing is, Rogan has replaced Trump as the media’s favorite target. This footage has been around forever and Alex Jones was circulating it in 2019. And the media picks it up just now?
I honestly agree Rogan isn’t an ideologue because he doesn’t have the cognitive fortitude to stand by a coherent ideology. I haven’t really followed a ton of his covid shit but I’ve always seen his brain take up whatever flavor of broth it’s currently swimming in.
That said, he’s a useful idiot for the right who seem to have taken over his guest list and indoctrinate his fan base. It’s irresponsible to give him that platform.
"Hey, everybody, Jon Stewart here and I'm on PragerU. Yeah, me on PragerU. If you are of a particular political persuasion you're thinking what's the problem with Jon Stewart. Cough, cough. The problem is that I've got my head jammed way up my ass? No, that's not true. I want to talk about how the Amy Klobuchar / Dan Crenshaw presidential ticket is the right path forward for our divided nation..."
Rogan has said the whole "get out" plot as his unironic racist beliefs, and even his "apology" still uses racist logic.
There's nothing to be engaged with
I am beginning to really wonder what his politics actually are. Maybe in private when he's being real and sincere - he's always been more of Thomas Friendman-like sort of guy and Jon beleives centrism is the way forward.
“Don’t leave, don’t abandon, don’t censor, engage.”
That simple, short sentence reminded me that he's always been a gigantic proponent of engaging. I assume when he hosted The Daily Show that he literally made 1,000s of pro-engagement message. This is not quote - it's merely my impression of him in those days...
"If both groups could just talk to each other - maybe they could work things out."
His audience surely considered such takes to be considerate and thoughtful. But where they really? Talk is often a waste of time and centrists use it for exactly that reason. If you push engaging and decry conflict as counter-productive - what happens? Nothing fundamentally changes.
His show ridiculed the right-wing by cherry-picking the biggest morons and fools and interviewing them to great effect. It was faux-edginess that liberals love because it makes them laugh and they can feel superior. In the meanwhile Jon never took a stand on anything political. He'd always demur and say "I'm just a comedian..."
But people strongly connected him to all those yuk-yuk-yuk jokes about the right. But as far as I know - after he left that show - he's never criticized the right - except for Trump. I assume he's a endless fucking font of "engagement".
There was an episode of "The Problem with Jon Stewart" where he interviewed Jamie Fucking Dimon (the CEO of JPMorgan Chase). I assume it was a very cordial and engaging discussion. So much for the near second great depression in 2008. Let's put the past behind us.
This comment is already long enough but I can't resist one more thing. I learned about Jon's Spotify take from this tweet by a rando...
imo Jon Stewart had the correct take on the Spotify clusterfuk
I had thought she was vaguely sort of leftist. But I have to laugh at myself right now. How can anyone really be "vaguely sort of leftist"? Engagement will not create change. If you engage with Rogan - all you do is make him more powerful, more influential, and put more money into his pocket. He spreads misinformation during a deadly pandemic and he's caused illness, suffering, and death. He's clearly a liar and a manipulator. No one should cry if he's brought down.
Rally to Restore Sanity/Fear
I was a big-time lib back then but even I couldn't stomach that shit. It was Cringe City.
When I learned he had Dimon on - I was almost tempted to hate-listen to it. But I realized it would have only enraged me. For a hate-whatever you need to be at least a tiny bit amused and I wouldn't have been amused at all.
emergency personnel involved in 9/11
I'm sure he always says it's "unfortunate" that state and federal governments fucked them. I wonder how he'd reply if somebody said to him "The entire system is rotten. You need to talk about that. Not how 'unfortunate' it is."
Another Milkshake Schmuck. :kelly:
I've already used that Kelly before but this is so banal and redundant that there's no reason to come up with another.
Kinda funny that spotify can be artist exploiter, use that money to buy joe, and now artists can’t be mad, cause some 4 billions disappear (did they disappear John?)
One part of Rogan's impact on American society that I haven't seen mentioned much is the key role he played early on in helping the Proud Boys promote themselves using his platform. Spotify has removed his interviews with PB founder McInnes, like they have with the n-word.
