The Ukrainian government has been violating the Minsk agreements for 8 years and splitting hairs about whether or not shelling schools and civilian targets technically counted.
He's a lib, but I have a soft spot for him. Him and Jesse Jackson were the only two prominent people you could even call "leftists" in the US in the 90s. And they both took so much shit for it for two decades until Occupy and Bernie and when being a leftist got much more mainstream. I remember the 90s. As bad as things are for the left movement in the US now, they were worse back then. Moore and Jackson were the only household names sticking their necks out there. They get to be in Purgatorio in my Dante's Inferno of libs.
Correct, but any attack beyond DPR and LPR isn't defensible in my view. This whole thing is the West's fault, but Putin is escalating things in a way that's dangerous and harms innocent people.
It's possible, but I hope not. A regime change probably requires an occupation, which would make this much worse. They didn't change the regime in Georgia in 2008.
i think the idea is to oust the pro-usa pro-nato government from the coup in 2014 or whatever and install one that is anti-nato
I mean, I'm not sure he even needs to do that. Ukraine can't ever join NATO now, if it ever could have joined, and it's been proven that NATO will not fire a shot to defend Ukraine. Maidan is dead.
The Ukrainian government has been violating the Minsk agreements for 8 years and splitting hairs about whether or not shelling schools and civilian targets technically counted.
I'm not surprised it's finally boiled over.
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Abso-fucking-lutely. Never forget that Hollywood libs roundly booed Michael Moore when he spoke out against the invasion at an awards show.
The only reason I have any respect for that lib, he had the guts to stand there and tell them the invasion was wrong.
He's a lib, but I have a soft spot for him. Him and Jesse Jackson were the only two prominent people you could even call "leftists" in the US in the 90s. And they both took so much shit for it for two decades until Occupy and Bernie and when being a leftist got much more mainstream. I remember the 90s. As bad as things are for the left movement in the US now, they were worse back then. Moore and Jackson were the only household names sticking their necks out there. They get to be in Purgatorio in my Dante's Inferno of libs.
Correct, but any attack beyond DPR and LPR isn't defensible in my view. This whole thing is the West's fault, but Putin is escalating things in a way that's dangerous and harms innocent people.
Depends how far they go. I could see a scenario where they take out nearby military bases so they can't retaliate after Russians eventually withdraw.
do you think they should leave behind the pro-usa/nato governmentr in kiev which has been shelling people in dpr/lpr
most likely they are going for regime change there
It's possible, but I hope not. A regime change probably requires an occupation, which would make this much worse. They didn't change the regime in Georgia in 2008.
i think the idea is to oust the pro-usa pro-nato government from the coup in 2014 or whatever and install one that is anti-nato
this is more or less expressly what putin said he was going to do
also annex the dpr and lpr most likely ( he didnt say that but it seems to be a pretty good bet)
I mean, I'm not sure he even needs to do that. Ukraine can't ever join NATO now, if it ever could have joined, and it's been proven that NATO will not fire a shot to defend Ukraine. Maidan is dead.
Serbia 2.0, sigh. Truly a dangerous pandora box that opened by the US