if you go into a negotiation presenting anything but bare faced, insane confidence it’ll be instantly spun as surrender. people don’t tend to like carrying on fighting when they think their government is going to surrender at any moment.this doesn’t make them stronger in the eyes of russia in negotiations and at no point have I said it did, that’s your miscomprehension.

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do you think they should enter the talks saying “we’re getting our arses whipped and lay ourselves on the mercy of the russian federation?” you obviously bluff as hard as you can get away with going into negotiations. literally everyone in the world would do that.

you are pushing back in opposite directions. If it is a prerequisite going into negotiations "to not weaken your position" as you said, then why does it

if you think this obviously over the top media soundbite is going to be received as anything other than pablum by the russians you’re wrong. it’s totally irrelevant to the negotiations

how does that square with

if you go into a negotiation presenting anything but bare faced, insane confidence it’ll be instantly spun as surrender.

What does it matter in negotiations if it only effects internal moral, which evidentially means going back to the not surrendering and having civilians die en mass plan, which btw dragging them off busses to fight sends the opposite message to the populace that the military is fine and handling it and peace talks will be with them in a dominant position.

In negotiations the citizenry is not gonna be asked how they are feeling, if they are confident. hyping up that your country will fight till the last elderly man is not effecting negotiations at all to be sure, but it also does not strengthen them going in to negotiations. You policed Redcuban in the first place, you act like it is utterly insane that people scoff at propaganda, like we are dullards for remarking on these 4d chess moves by Ukraine that we just dont respect. If it is all just for the civilians, then they are also telling them they are going to have to fight desperately and cannot be allowed to leave. It contradicts itself, and this idea that the dragging people off busses thing is just for show. Their two shows are clashing is a way that is getting people killed. That's ghoulish. I get why they are doing it, we all do. But we are mocking it as pathetic because that's what nationalism is