I've heard people say NuTrek isn't as good, so I'd like to know people's opinions on all the iterations of Star Trek from a leftist perspective.

    • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      In your opinion, are Voyager and Enterprise still worth watching even though you rank them at the bottom?

      • HarrierDuBois [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        Yeah, voyager is at least. There’s good episodes, but it suffers from a weird misogynistic exec who occasionally made an episode too horny while he was sexually harassing all the women on set.

        Lot of talented people pushed pass that and wrote / created good episodes. The show just veers off occasionally when Rick Berman got focused on “collaborating”. It’s at the bottom of my list for a reason.

        • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          but it suffers from a weird misogynistic exec who occasionally made an episode too horny while he was sexually harassing all the women on set

          Doesn't this describe almost all of Stek Trek?

      • NephewAlphaBravo [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Voyager's fine, it's just not as good as the two gems it followed.

        IDK shit about trek after 2000 lol

      • OgdenTO [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Ooh, Voyager is good though, Janeway is a great cowboy captain

        • viva_la_juche [they/them, any]
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          2 years ago

          I don’t hate voyager tbh but it didn’t grab me. I watched the first 2 seasons and just couldn’t get in to it. Could have been fatigue tho bc I had just watched all of ds9 prior to starting voy. I May go back and give it a second try

          • culpritus [any]
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            2 years ago

            took me a few tries to churn through all of Voy, the first seasons are pretty weak, but the later seasons do put the premise to use well on occasion

  • boffa [ey/em,e/em/eir]
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    2 years ago

    Ranking intro themes

    1st: voyager has the best, super majestic.

    2nd: The original with the singing is a little bit hilarious but instantly recognizable.

    3rd: DS9. Also majestic but melodically unmemorable.

    4th: TNG. Might be a controversial spot but it's too ROUSING. It's 1 am jesus calm down

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    99th: Enterprise. Who green lit this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c22VlShFh_U

  • Multihedra [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I realized not too long ago that trek isn’t really my thing, even though it has a reputation of being at least mildly leftist. So I’m probably a bit more dismissive than I should be. But it’s kinda like if the EU made it to space…

    OG trek is really quite liberal: “power of ideas”, especially humanism, type stuff. There’s a particularly bad episode on race relations (the people are black on left or right, and white on the other side) and it’s just terrible, especially when you consider it came out in 68/69. But it’s wild to watch media from 50-60 years ago, so as an “art” it’s quite unfamiliar and kind of amazing for that reason. Especially the weird lighting/framing, and how long some of the shots last

    TNG is the flagship at this point, so it’s required watching. It’s really the “gen 1 Pokémon” of Star Trek. It’s perfectly good entertainment, although I’m not sure I can recall many leftist themes

    DS9 has ferangi, who act as caricatures of greed, allowing the show to throw in actual leftist catchphrases here and there. But aside from that, the ferangi have some of the best actors playing the best characters. Bell riot lore also originated in DS9. Probably my favorite Star Trek

    Voyager I mostly forget. Never figured out what’s up with the whole bajoran rebels thing, I don’t think there were too many worthwhile ideas there

    Enterprise is the best Star Trek because it’s the most American, and thus the most honest with itself. Literally did a “9/11 in space” episode lmao. I don’t remember any character except Scott bakula; if I try to think of more, I just confuse it with Stargate

    New trek (discovery, Picard) I really had a hard time watching. Imo they rely on ratcheting up tension. That’s a “form” criticism, but because of the form I couldn’t really get to the content. Unless the content was just “dramatic situations”

    Lower decks is fine, though they kinda frame it as “not really the utopian future TNG portrayed itself as, huh?” which is pretty jarring as the overall theme

  • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    I say "from a leftist perspectives" because liberals think Marvel slop is kino.

  • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    DS9 - There are some pretty "modern" episodes here which makes the series more relevant, the Bell riots, the bar union episode, Pale moonlight(adventurism for the greater good), The Maquis arc, the changelings on Earth episode(9/11 reaction prediction) and a few more.

    But there are some very silly and bad episodes too, I think the whole Bajoran religion can be a hit or miss. Gul Dukat is sometimes very creepy, Odo is a fascist(and that is ok) while the show doesn't realy embrace that("we can fix him" trope), the Ferengi episodes are fun but also shallow imo.

    But I'd just give an edge to DS9 because the great episodes are more relevant and based on real world conflicts while TNG tends to be a bit detached and optimistic.

    TNG- TNG S3-S7 overall manages to be pretty clean and principled imo. Of course from an entertainment POV some episodes are just ok, but there are some strong classics here, the Picard torture, Measure of a Man, Inner light, Darmok, Unification.

    The biggest leftist problem with TNG would be a couple of specific episodes where the writers lacked self awareness and in general the establishment and then misuse of the Prime Directive.

    There are controversial episodes like the Riker trans/gay sex episode, the Barclay episode, some horrible S1-2 episodes.

    TOS is dated but was also quite bold at the time when dealing with race and equality issues. These days TOS doesn't have much to say because we take a lot of things for granted but credit should be given to TOS for the historical context. There are some pretty insane episodes here too but I think the balance is overall positive.

    VOY-ENT both are quite unremarkable, they are not terrible series just average with few great episodes and pretty much nothing else. Enterprise had some unspeakable mistakes, the Phlox curing diseases is interfering with evolution nonsense is just way too much. I realy recommend SFDebreis review of Dear Doctor Realy as much as I hate nuTrek I think even Kurtzman would struggle to do something as shit as this.

    There are some good storytelling moments from S3 onwards but it is not realy relevant to real world politics imo. I still recommend watching it because it is far better than STD-Picard, but it is not perfect.

    Voyager has so many shit episodes, a few particularly bad ones like the Chekotay tribe was created by smart white males aliens. I point to another SFDebris review of Tattoo. but I struggle to think of any politicaly relevant Voyager episode. They fight nazis once so there is that.

  • StuporTrooper [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    1st: Star Trek (2009) A fun action flick with a few green babes. Spock seemed like the real hero, very angry when he's not robotic. Chris Pine was Chris Pine and I always love Karl Urban. It had almost too many Abrams lens flares, but overall the style was fine. Came from an era with a lot of dark and gritty so I was cool with the bright colors. I liked that the militarizing Star Fleet was the bad guys the whole time.

    2nd: Star Trek: Into Darkness Definitely too many lens flares. Saw the Kahn twist coming even though I'm not a Star Trek fan. Again Spock seemed like the real hero and I don't remember too much of the plot. I think this was the one with Old Man Spock time travel? It didn't work for me. I forget, but I think the final fight was wacky and not in a cool way.

    3rd: Star Trek Beyond I didn't see this one and I assume it was the worst of the three.

    That's all the Star Trek I've seen.

    • invo_rt [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Star Trek Beyond

      unironically the best of the three from a tone perspective imo