Sorry but isn't the debate over whether or not the US is "fascist" a dead end? Like the Nazis weren't completely defeated, they were absorbed. Fascism is smaller than what is going on here. Fascism is the dog at the end of the chain, but someone is holding the other end.
Sorry I'm not directing this at you, just this endless debate that always ends in a critical analysis of Umberto Eco, and none being any better for it.
Yeah, we aren’t quite at the “roving groups of brown shirts doing open pogroms and putting political enemies in concentration camps” stage yet, except maybe in small areas for short periods of time.
Shit is bad, but it’s going to get much much worse
It's also the fastest way to create a civil war situation. Nuclear weapons reside in more than one state and the question of what to do with the weapons in various states will be an issue. Seceding states aren't going to want to be defenseless next door to a christo-fascist state.
The result of disagreement over what to do with weaponry can only be civil war surely?
When the USSR broke up I believe the KGB took control of the nuclear facilities and the CIA even helped them because everyone agrees that having uncontrolled and unaccounted for nukes is very bad. I would guess that in the event of US balkanization the CIA would do the same, and if they failed to do so I’d expect Chinese, Russian, and British intelligence to assist.
Fascism would result in fracture as fascists tend to identify by state. Texans hate California. Idahoians hate Washington. The Dakotans hate Chicago. Floridians hate Atlanta, Georgia. Alaskans hate everyone. Etc.
You'd get some kind of play, like in the Civil War, where a military leader attempts to charge into DC and seize control. But the long term consequences would be a total interstate crack-up.
The fact that Democrats swept Georgia and Arizona in 2020 suggests they aren't as secure in their positions as they like to pretend. That said, a lot of this hinges on the political power of municipalities (and their resident corporate anchors). It still all runs back to capitalist institutions and financial brokers.
A fascist turn in the US would ultimately pit business interests against one another, as power brokers try to cut one another off at the knees by bankrupting or taking over their rivals. The only end-game there would be to build the kind of economic firewalls that the US loves to build around its foreign enemies - Cuba, NK, Russia, etc. We'd just turn that policy inward and start building walls between North and South Carolina or by sanctioning all the big businesses in downtown Austin to death.
Someone whose opinions I respect has said the most likely future scenario for the US is a Qing-style degradation of federal power where state governments start merely ignoring federal laws and dictates in favor of their own, as well as making separate treaties with foreign governments. But the fiction of national unity and the military remain. I thinks its a good prediction considering another upcoming expected SCOTUS decision.
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Implying the country doesn’t fracture before then
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USA is already fascist with a candy gloss coat of paint.
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Sorry but isn't the debate over whether or not the US is "fascist" a dead end? Like the Nazis weren't completely defeated, they were absorbed. Fascism is smaller than what is going on here. Fascism is the dog at the end of the chain, but someone is holding the other end.
Sorry I'm not directing this at you, just this endless debate that always ends in a critical analysis of Umberto Eco, and none being any better for it.
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I can't argue with you there
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Yeah, we aren’t quite at the “roving groups of brown shirts doing open pogroms and putting political enemies in concentration camps” stage yet, except maybe in small areas for short periods of time.
Shit is bad, but it’s going to get much much worse
Coat of paint is going to flake off.
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It's also the fastest way to create a civil war situation. Nuclear weapons reside in more than one state and the question of what to do with the weapons in various states will be an issue. Seceding states aren't going to want to be defenseless next door to a christo-fascist state.
The result of disagreement over what to do with weaponry can only be civil war surely?
When the USSR broke up I believe the KGB took control of the nuclear facilities and the CIA even helped them because everyone agrees that having uncontrolled and unaccounted for nukes is very bad. I would guess that in the event of US balkanization the CIA would do the same, and if they failed to do so I’d expect Chinese, Russian, and British intelligence to assist.
That needs to not happen else the nukes are all going to Salt Lake City.
Between this and the Secret Service overruling trump my dumb-ass brain can't shake the feeling nobody ever quite got rid of their praetorian guard.
How would states secure the nukes within their territory? It's not like nuclear missile operators are residents of the state they are based in.
Fascism would result in fracture as fascists tend to identify by state. Texans hate California. Idahoians hate Washington. The Dakotans hate Chicago. Floridians hate Atlanta, Georgia. Alaskans hate everyone. Etc.
You'd get some kind of play, like in the Civil War, where a military leader attempts to charge into DC and seize control. But the long term consequences would be a total interstate crack-up.
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The fact that Democrats swept Georgia and Arizona in 2020 suggests they aren't as secure in their positions as they like to pretend. That said, a lot of this hinges on the political power of municipalities (and their resident corporate anchors). It still all runs back to capitalist institutions and financial brokers.
A fascist turn in the US would ultimately pit business interests against one another, as power brokers try to cut one another off at the knees by bankrupting or taking over their rivals. The only end-game there would be to build the kind of economic firewalls that the US loves to build around its foreign enemies - Cuba, NK, Russia, etc. We'd just turn that policy inward and start building walls between North and South Carolina or by sanctioning all the big businesses in downtown Austin to death.
Someone whose opinions I respect has said the most likely future scenario for the US is a Qing-style degradation of federal power where state governments start merely ignoring federal laws and dictates in favor of their own, as well as making separate treaties with foreign governments. But the fiction of national unity and the military remain. I thinks its a good prediction considering another upcoming expected SCOTUS decision.
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