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Idk kinda looks like a george floyd moment in Iran
Damn so like are these part of the militant leftist youth wing in Iran protesting this?
Half the people I work with are Persian and have been talking about this all day for the last 2 or 3 days or so. They’re extremely pissed. There’s a bit of a selection bias since most of the Iranians I interact with are already in the us but from their pov quite a lot of people are pretty anti govt bc of material conditions (a lot of poverty for a lot of people there) and the oppressive religious stuff. I think it’s likely this is an inciting incident to a homegrown thing. Not saying it’s not possible foreign actors couldn’t take advantage of the situation, but it seems like alot of zoomer Iranians in particular are pretty against the treatment of women and seeing this as a protest against that in particular
CW: Death
https://twitter.com/presstv/status/1571443011816415232?s=46&t=vrblq8WEnUVQSbGilsPb1Q
Nobody seems to have touched her. Western “Persians” are biased and cannot speak on events happening in Iran with accuracy, as they are evidently just repeating the western story with contradicting evidence
Are we really just repeating gusano vibes as facts here?
At no point did I insinuate any of this was “facts” I literally mentioned it was their pov and mentioned the selection bias to make a point of not suggesting that their perspective on it was sacrosanct.
Take the confrontational tone down a notch until you sort out your reading comprehension please. I’m more than happy to hear any other perspective or info you have on the subject, this is what I’ve had thus far and i was simply relaying that conversationally not pushing a narrative
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Westoids often initially fall into moralizing anti-Iran and pro-imperialist narratives, sometimes due to repeating the narratives of ex-Iranians with a grudge and agenda.
Like why are people in this thread repeating as fact that she was beaten to death by Iranian police when there is no evidence of that, and evidence actually seems to show the opposite? Why are they so quick to assume a position of idealistic “I’m morally superior to the savage” and involve themselves in an imperialist intrigue and the affairs of others without even evidence of wrongdoing?
I mean where I’m at on it is this is that was what people around me were talking about. I see that she collapsed, im interested in knowing if she was brutalized during the arrest, which to my knowledge hasn’t been released. At best, regardless of the situation between the west and Iran, there is observably a good amount of police brutality involved in this situation, and before which is not good.
Any leftists support of Iran should be pretty critical. It’s not right for them to be imperialised and I think they should sort out their own issues, but they’re not a socialist country they’re a theocracy with tons of issues.
I would say to stick to criticizing what you know, because as soon as you try to do “socialist” criticism of the enemies of your state it’s all just narrative manufacturing of consent, it’s just trot shit. You don’t have any power over Iranian politics, the only way a westerner could possibly affect the situation is to throw in with the imperialist bloodthirsty mob and push to breach their sovereignty. It becomes clear when people try to do “critical support” but their critiques are not based in knowledge of the culture and contexts, and you get things like this… western leftists attacking Iran over a made up event of police brutality that they have no business being involved in, right as Iran is mobilizing to assist Armenia and defend against the western-backed Azeris.
"Long live communism!"
I think this is a good protest and if this is the prevailing sentiment then it'll be harder for the US to pull a color revolution.
Idk kinda looks like a george floyd moment in Iran
It will be if the :cia: has anything to say about it
The government could've hanged the cops already and no one would say a thing. Instead they doubled down on it being "an accident"
I’m pretty torn on Iran’s government, on one hand they are weirdly forward thinking in places like trans rights and they act as a bulwark against American intervention in the region. On the other hand they are most definitely not leftist, but they occupy the same void that Russia does in that it has a legacy of a leftist government which is better than not having it.
I’m not sure if it would be better for the communist project in the long run if a color revolution were to sweep over Iran, I’m afraid it would make the country lean more towards the United States and adopt liberalism which in my opinion is not worth the trade of increased social rights. I’m still of the opinion that Iran needs a nuke and shouldn’t have its government overthrown.
I think the best thing that could possibly happen is if Iran were to adopt sweeping social reforms on sexuality, gender, and race while avoiding westernizing and still maintaining some degree of its Islamicness. I think the worst thing that leftists deal with right now is that a lot of the social justice and gender theory stuff is mostly seen as an American thing that’s divorced from the economic aspects of leftism. So if Iran were to adopt it as state policy it would help mend the divide a little and would introduce a more progressive version of Islam.
The worst case scenario is an Afghanistan situation where there’s a bunch of wokewashing in major cities and the countryside becomes infested with reactionary chuds who sadly would be the anti imperialist faction. There’s a fine line to walk between anti imperialism and social justice and some might call it a false dichotomy to be forced to pick between the two but sometimes you gotta support shitty regimes because not doing so would lead to an even greater calamity. I guess what I’m trying to say is critical support for Iran, I hope they reform but we shouldn’t cry if they crack down on this.
I mean i don't want the US to overthrow the iranian government either but it's also incredibly easy for police not to beat women to death and it's also incredibly easy to not start fingerwagging instead of punishing them.
And yes, the US does use gender, sexuality, race related ngos to exert soft power but when a government actively chooses on doubling down on the racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, that's a very legitimate thing to criticise.
In Latin America they excel in this, there's absolutely no reason for the Iranian (or Russian or any other anti-imperialist "heroes") government to not adapt the policies you mentioned. What would happen? The USA would fund 70 year old men to overthrow the government?
https://twitter.com/presstv/status/1571443011816415232?s=46&t=vrblq8WEnUVQSbGilsPb1Q
Looks like it was an accident. Looks like you are doubling down on your manufactured narrative
Oh shit a video of someone collapsing and dying, people who have been beaten never died like that, the whole narrative is totally disproven now.
There’s a full video of like 5 minutes of her getting up, walking around, getting back in her seat, having a short conversations.
If you want to make western-aligned accusations of wrongdoing here you need at least a modicum of proof because all evidence points to this being bullshit
okay, whatever. We don't know who is on the video, where it was taken but since the twitter you posted says it was her, it must be her. She probably drank too much coffee. Well, there's other people.
Found the article about it in the meantime, it puts things into perspective a bit more but not gonna pretend that if the police beat her they would've admitted it.
The burden of proof is on the one making the accusation. Western aligned comprador groups make a stink in a hostile foreign nation about “police brutality”. No evidence of this is shown, and evidence against it is instead.
Instead of taking the L you double down on your swallowing of anti-Iranian propaganda
I’ll worry about what Iran’s cops are doing once we get our own to stop beating people to death. :amerikkka:
Okay but can Iranians be concerned about what their cops are doing? Just a bit?
Point to the time stamp in the video of her death where cops killed her or abused her
If i was a cop i would make sure to document every single second of abusing people so others on the internet can prove it was me.
We have a recording of the entire time she was in the building, minutes just queuing and wandering around, having conversations. Then she collapses and is given medical attention.
There’s no evidence of anything nefarious, you are following imperialist intrigue and you are a failed socialist for this reason. Just like veganism apparently, anti-imperialism is not a tendency it’s a non-negotiable part of being a leftist. Repeating westoid libshit lies is reactionary
you are a failed peepeepoopoo
Antiimperialism is when police can beat women to death :(
Nobody was beat to death loool you are still going on about the Ghost of Tehran
Didn’t they release footage of the death and nobody touched her?
CW: Death, woman collapses during argument but nobody touched her
https://twitter.com/presstv/status/1571443011816415232?s=46&t=vrblq8WEnUVQSbGilsPb1Q
If this is indeed her then this almost 100% cia color revolution
I'm really curious what, if anything, is actually going on there. I've been duped by the western media playing footage that has nothing to do with the event being reported on in the past, so I'm reluctant to take anything at face value. that said there were some pretty good videos of kids kicking the living shit out of cops going around.
Why would Saudi citizens be the inverse? Does it have something to do with Saudi Arabia being Sunni and Iran being Shia?
No it has to do with material conditions and social relations of each nation, not idealist religious explanations.
Saudi Arabia has been a US vassal state for basically a century. They have gotten ungodly wealthy and they spread that wealth around within Saudi Arabia to ensure the ruling class remains popular and powerful. Thus they are basically social chauvinists or social imperialists, benefitting massively from the empire and doing whatever is needed to suppress resistance to it throughout the Middle East. The leadership of Saudi Arabia are much more reactionary than the leadership of Iran.
Iran has been the victim of imperialism and multiple coups, the victims include a nascent socialist movement that got destroyed and reincorporated into the new state. Thus they have a much more progressive foreign policy and population, and that population is not materially benefitting from imperialism they are being harmed by it. This puts them into an anti-imperialist position.
Iran is more progressive than Saudi Arabia in every way, both its leadership and its population. There are Islamist hardliners in both nations, and the Iranian ones have been proven right time and time again over the liberal Iranians who keep trusting the West. This has strengthened the Islamic hardline position in Iran, while in Saudi Arabia the leadership has to posture as progressive once and a while to stay friendly with the west - so it appears like they may want to make progress on the surface but it’s just imperialist pinkwashing for a genocidal petrostate monarchy and arm of imperialism
CW: Death, but no evidence of police abuse
https://twitter.com/presstv/status/1571443011816415232?s=46&t=vrblq8WEnUVQSbGilsPb1Q
If this footage is correct these protests are a color revolution attempt 100%. It’s not a coincidence this is happening right now, as Iran tries to stabilize the situation with Armenia and Azerbaijan
