Probably unpopular take - I actually do sympathize with the HK protestors a bit... but it's never reported that HKs issues are NOT China's fault...
It's an undemocratic system inherited from when it was a colonial outpost. Hong Kong has never been a democracy and it's actually a weird "corporate state" where a "board of directors" run political affairs.
I see your point, and I feel like there is some genuine anti-authoritarian sentiment for some members of the movement, but overall it's not something I'd endorse as a leftist. I have plenty of issues with China, sure, but asking Marco Rubio to rain hell on them to protect your League of Legends clan isn't the way to deal with it.
Yeah, definitely. The disturbing part to me is how these protests are being co-opted as "China bad" when it's all about problems that existed before the China handover in late 90's.
A good way to illustrate how the HK government works is pretend the CEO of Exxonmobil, Disney, or Amazon were your representative in government. Most people assume that it's a liberal democracy, but it's not - and it's very out in the open, lol.
And I'm not sure 👏 more 👏 Chinese 👏 CEOs is the correct Socialist position. Critical support and all, but eh... all around crappy situation.
I agree. A huge reason why young Hong Kongers are protesting are because of economic conditions: no jobs, no savings and expensive rent for tiny apartments. Sounds like anywhere we know? So why be obsequious toadies to western nations like the US and UK when their own citizens are experiencing the same problems, especially if many Chinese citizens have gone from extreme destitution to a very high standard of living within their lifetimes.
As for the whole suffrage thing, it seems like it’s a safeguard against a populist reactionary from seizing power. If any whitey thinks it’s not democracy, then neither is the electoral college nor the restrictions on voting rights for felons and non-citizens.
Probably unpopular take - I actually do sympathize with the HK protestors a bit... but it's never reported that HKs issues are NOT China's fault...
It's an undemocratic system inherited from when it was a colonial outpost. Hong Kong has never been a democracy and it's actually a weird "corporate state" where a "board of directors" run political affairs.
I see your point, and I feel like there is some genuine anti-authoritarian sentiment for some members of the movement, but overall it's not something I'd endorse as a leftist. I have plenty of issues with China, sure, but asking Marco Rubio to rain hell on them to protect your League of Legends clan isn't the way to deal with it.
Yeah, definitely. The disturbing part to me is how these protests are being co-opted as "China bad" when it's all about problems that existed before the China handover in late 90's.
A good way to illustrate how the HK government works is pretend the CEO of Exxonmobil, Disney, or Amazon were your representative in government. Most people assume that it's a liberal democracy, but it's not - and it's very out in the open, lol.
And I'm not sure 👏 more 👏 Chinese 👏 CEOs is the correct Socialist position. Critical support and all, but eh... all around crappy situation.
I agree. A huge reason why young Hong Kongers are protesting are because of economic conditions: no jobs, no savings and expensive rent for tiny apartments. Sounds like anywhere we know? So why be obsequious toadies to western nations like the US and UK when their own citizens are experiencing the same problems, especially if many Chinese citizens have gone from extreme destitution to a very high standard of living within their lifetimes.
As for the whole suffrage thing, it seems like it’s a safeguard against a populist reactionary from seizing power. If any whitey thinks it’s not democracy, then neither is the electoral college nor the restrictions on voting rights for felons and non-citizens.
:yes: Yes.
Even so, at least the undemocratic aspects of awful US politics aren't at the level of having fucking corporations elected to government.