You know I said a few months ago that Andor was so good it made me re-evaluate my opinion on the Mandalorian. I guess the showrunners felt the same way because that last episode reeks hard of them trying and FAILING to do political intrigue.

Just putting aside the fact that every single person in the "Amnesty Program" should have faced a firing squad: whose bright fucking idea was it to house them all together???? "Oh golly gee wiz, let's just stuck a whole bunch of space fascists and collaborators in a tiny little neighborhood. Surely nothing will go wrong!!!" I suppose its technically canonical that the new republic is incompetent as shit given how things play out with the first order but sheesh guys.

Just stick to what you know guys. More pew pew and vroom vroom. Leave the political drama to the adult writers in the room. You will never ever be as good as Andor....and that is OK.

  • Esoteir [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I don't get how anyone could still have faith in favreau or filoni after mandalorian season 2's CGI luke, like literally the first scene of season 3 of mandalorian had a bunch of multicolored mandalorian OCs beating a crocodile to death for literally no discernible reason while epic music played

    honestly I enjoyed the clone wars/bad batch, but its whole concept waters down any substance the prequel trilogy actually had by making the clones epic G.I. Joe best buddies with the copaganda Jedi, and the clones only turn on the Jedi because of a bad chip in their brain that a bad actor put in their head

    even in one of the better arcs of the clone wars where a Jedi keeps sending clones on suicide missions they don't even make any interesting commentary because they just go "lol nvm he was actually a sith, the jedi would never treat clones so badly"

    bad batch had one of the most :cringe: moments in the entire franchise where a character goes "count dooku was even worse than you think because he stole from his OWN PEOPLE, not just other people on other planets!!!"

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      after mandalorian season 2’s CGI luke

      Given that he was on the screen for all of three seconds, I wasn't even mad. They set up a third season into Jedi Academy which could have been fun. But then they got cold feet and did whatever the hell happened in Book of Boba to retcon Yoda back into being a comedy-relief set piece.

      honestly I enjoyed the clone wars/bad batch, but its whole concept waters down any substance the prequel trilogy actually had by making the clones epic G.I. Joe best buddies

      Had they been set up as nascent rebels coming to terms with Empire, instead of ultra-loyalist Super Troopers who just do A-Team reruns, it could have been good. It just had that spin-off of a spin-off energy, where the writers were afraid to do anything too adventurous or tell any kind of story that wasn't just "Hey, y'all remember the movies?"

      “lol nvm he was actually a sith"

      I enjoyed Star Wars: Visions, because they had a number of shorts that would twist traditional Good/Evil narratives and subvert expectations. "Akakiri" does such a great job of articulating how a love can become this selfish corrupting influence that leads to the Dark Side. "Lop and Ochō" is this incredible story of divided loyalties and personal codes of honor that force two old friends apart.

      One of the cooler things about the Star Wars mythos is in how - in the hands of a good writer - the Dark or Light side isn't an origin but a destination. You only realize your allegiance after you've faced adversity.

      Shit writing like this is so annoying because it forgoes the idea of character growth that the setting practically hands you on a silver platter. You don't have to be Sith, you just have to realize being Sith is what you wanted all along. And that internal revelation is so much more fun than the "Oh, turns out he was just a secret evil guy" bad spy-movie twist ending.

      • Esoteir [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        yeah you're right, I was mostly lopping S2 Luke with BoBF Luke but the former wasn't entirely tasteless

        and yeah, for Bad Batch I think I like the Crosshair episodes the best despite how hilariously edgy the character is, because it almost feels like a more layered concept coming through, like he's a tool of the state and does bad shit and is slowly coming to terms with how much of a monster he is without doing "lol brain chip not work"

        Star Wars Legends is among Andor and TLJ for being in the few SW media I actually enjoyed in the last decade, so many great concepts both narratively and visually in there

        and while TLJ didn't really touch on the Sith/dark side, I really liked how it made a specific point of decoupling the force and the Jedi to give a critical take on them and their role in the rise of fascism, and go "we don't have to completely abandon the Jedi, there were good aspects and we can leave behind the baggage that led to fuckin bad shit happening and go back to lifting rocks to help people"

    • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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      2 years ago

      It was the Obi Wan show and the weird cyberpunk teen biker gang in BoBF that made me give up any hope in Filoni with live action stuff. I liked a lot of Clone Wars, I loved Rebels, Bad Batch is decent, but his live action stuff is rough.

      Maybe it’s that he makes live action shows that feel like cartoons? Idk.

      • Esoteir [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        weirdly enough I think I would have enjoyed book of Boba Fett if they allowed Robert Rodriguez to go full Spy Kids cartoony on the shit (it felt like he wanted to and bits of pieces of the show actually felt like something he created), part of what made the Cyberpunk Vespa Squadra stand out so much is that the rest of the show felt like it was trying too hard to match the slightly grittier vibe of mandalorian season 1

        I liked the almost anti-colonial themes of the Boba and the Tuskens arc, but it pretty much went nowhere lmao

        Obi-Wan was Picard-tier :cringe: nothing redeemable there, especially after giving Obi yet another chance to kill Space Hitler and basically directly making him responsible for everyone's death on Alderaan lmao

        I completely agree with Filoni being a much better cartoon creator though, especially after finding out he was the one who was directly responsible for the Darth Vader Kills Everyone Wooooah Lightsaber scene at the end of Rogue One

        • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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          2 years ago

          Wait were you against the Vader kills everyone scene? Ngl I thought it was sick. If they ever do it again I’ll find it much much much less cool, but the one time was pretty cool, and it is nice to be occasionally reminded that Vader can fucking destroy you.

          100% yes to literally everything else you said. Especially about the tusken stuff, that was really cool and then went nowhere.

          • Esoteir [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Ehh, I just thought it was a weird addition to a slightly more grounded WW2 spy action movie

            It's like we almost had a movie where nobody ignited a lightsaber and then we get the fan service scene

            like it's cool in a vacuum I just didn't like it as an ending to the rest of the film