Liberals are authoritarians, we all pretty much agree on that here but what's the best way to communicate this to a well meaning baby leftist?

Anything worth linking to or specific phrasings you like using? How do you go about justifying that liberals are the "real" authoritarians and not the communists?

  • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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    1 year ago

    But if they woke up tomorrow and all homeless people had been given homes, they'd live with that, too.

    They absolutely will not because that would tank their property value. When liberals want the homeless gone, they want them gone.

    • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Libs passively support plenty of stuff that would be considered equally radical if it didn't already exist (social security, Medicare and Medicaid, public libraries). They'd do the same here.

      • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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        1 year ago

        Those are different because they don't directly impact the liberals' property investment in the same way homeless people would. Just giving people homes would also drive down rent, something that they absolutely do not want as well. Reforms like rent control pretty much fail hard even in so-called progressive states like California. I think you vastly underestimate how ghoulish "live laugh love" liberals sound like when they talk about homeless people. You start to hear dehumanizing language like saying homeless people are disgusting. Imagine if you heard someone say Black people are disgusting or trans people are disgusting. Liberals pretty much see the homeless the same exact way fascists see trans people.

        When I mean liberals, I'm not talking capitalist subjects who passively internalize the hegemonic ideology of liberalism. I'm talking about lanyard-wearing "live laugh love" liberals who watch CNN all day and either own a small rental property or aspire to own a small rental property. They hate, hate, hate, hate the homeless.

        • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          Libs always have economic arguments against good things (see Medicare for All) -- that's what makes them libs, not leftists. But once those things are in place they are not the ones clamoring to tear them down. This is fundamentally different from how fascists view them.

          My point isn't that libs support good things -- they don't, at least not uniformly, and not actively enough -- it's that libs aren't going to actively sabatoge good things once they're in place.

          You start to hear dehumanizing language like saying homeless people are disgusting.

          Dehumanizing language isn't just any insult directed at a group. Dehumanizing language is stuff like saying homeless people "infest" an area, calling homeless people "zombies," or calling for cops to clear "bodies" out of an area. You see this all the time from fascists but rarely from libs.

          • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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            1 year ago

            Libs always have economic arguments against good things (see Medicare for All) -- that's what makes them libs, not leftists. But once those things are in place they are not the ones clamoring to tear them down. This is fundamentally different from how fascists view them.

            My point isn't that libs support good things -- they don't, at least not uniformly, and not actively enough -- it's that libs aren't going to actively sabatoge good things once they're in place.

            Like I said earlier, things like universal healthcare benefit liberals, so they tolerate it and even support it. Housing homeless people is largely a detriment to their property value, so they oppose it. I could give other examples. White and Asian liberals absolutely hate affirmative action as much as their fascist peers, and they'll push to get rid of that shit as well. That's why so-called progressive state California doesn't even have affirmative action and hasn't had affirmative action since the 90s. Affirmative action wasn't scraped in California by fascists but by liberals. The only reason why the Democratic Party nominally support affirmative action is because of Black and Latine liberals.

            Dehumanizing language is stuff like saying homeless people "infest" an area, calling homeless people "zombies," or calling for cops to clear "bodies" out of an area. You see this all the time from fascists but rarely from libs.

            You never hear liberals complain about how homeless people are disgusting for smelling like piss and making everywhere else smell like piss because of public urination? You never hear liberals complain about how their tents are a complete eyesore and a vector for disease?

            • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              White and Asian liberals absolutely hate affirmative action as much as their fascist peers

              ...they don't? I know plenty of white and asian libs who support affirmative action. Democrats as a whole support AA much more than Republicans, so it's hard to belive even a majority of white libs oppose it, much less hate it the same as fascists do (i.e., on Bell Curve racist grounds).

              You never hear liberals complain about how their tents are a complete eyesore and a vector for disease?

              This isn't dehumanizing language, either. You honestly see no difference between "I don't like smelling piss/seeing someone piss when I walk down the street" and "we should sweep these zombies from the streets and put them on an island somewhere" (actual Republican proposal!)?

              • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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                1 year ago

                they don't? I know plenty of white and asian libs who support affirmative action. Democrats as a whole support AA much more than Republicans, so it's hard to belive even a majority of white libs oppose it, much less hate it the same as fascists do (i.e., on Bell Curve racist grounds).

                Those are just polls. I'm talking about real life where a blue state like California has dismantled affirmative action. Californians voted to pass Proposition 209 which dismantled affirmative action and voted against Proposition 16, which would've repealed Proposition 209. It wasn't spearheaded by some hidden cabal of Californian fascists, especially not Proposition 16, which happened in 2020 when most fascists had long since fled from "Commiefornia."

                This isn't dehumanizing language, either. You honestly see no difference between "I don't like smelling piss/seeing someone piss when I walk down the street" and "we should sweep these zombies from the streets and put them on an island somewhere" (actual Republican proposal!)?

                There's a difference between dehumanizing language and genocidal language. Cool, I give liberals the bare minimum of not articulating their genocidal thoughts of the homeless out loud like fascists even if they agree with them in private.

                • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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                  1 year ago

                  Californians voted to pass Proposition 209

                  In 1996, when the state had a Republican governor. It's absurd to attribute that to liberals, just as it's absurd to say California is nothing but liberals today. Reactionary referendums are frequently spearheaded by fascists, too.