Wage Labour and Capital #1

Hello everyone, welcome to Theory Thursday! This is a community led project, the point of these posts is to read about 30 minutes of theory every Thursday. Then we discuss with fellow comrades the contents of the reading. This week’s topic we are covering Karl Marx’s Wage Labour and Capital, starting at the introduction and the preliminary.

Last Discussion: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1058881

The Reading: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/index.htm

The Study Guide: http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/guide.htm

Study Guide question: On what basis is Marx referring to social reforms being a “Utopia”?

Feel free to discus below your thoughts or insight into this reading.

Next week we will read chapter 1, what are wages, through chapter 5, the nature and growth of capital. Shout out to comrade GrainEater’s Matrix study group, and comrade CriticalResist8’s ProleWiki study guide, go check them out if you would like more resources and discussion on theory. Have a good week comrades, until next time!

  • afellowkid@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    This is another one that I haven't read before so I'm glad it's the next one we're covering. My weak point in understanding theory has also mainly been around the more detailed economic side. I often have some trouble understanding Marx's writing style, but I think the introduction by Engels helped me better understand some of the things that I've felt my understanding was lacking in.

    In particular I found this passage helpful:

    In the present state of production, human labour-power not only produces in a day a greater value than it itself possesses and costs; but with each new scientific discovery, with each new technical invention, there also rises the surplus of its daily production over its daily cost, while as a consequence there diminishes that part of the working-day in which the labourer produces the equivalent of his day’s wages, and, on the other hand, lengthens that part of the working-day in which he must present labour gratis to the capitalist.

    In the next paragraph he states: "[the portion of value] which the capitalist class retains, and which it has to share, at most, only with the landlord class, is increasing with every new discovery and invention, while the share which falls to the working class (per capita) rises but little and very slowly, or not at all, and under certain conditions it may even fall".

    Again, like one of the quotes that stuck out to me from our previous reading, I feel like it helped my understanding when the focus was put on the big picture. Sometimes the more detailed explanations about how value is generated get me thinking only about how this affects the worker in particular, and forgetting to think about how it affects the entire proletariat and bourgeoisie's development as classes. Of course the details are necessary to understand the whole larger concept, but I think these quotes helped keep my understanding on track.

    I also appreciated these lines at the end of the introduction: "This condition becomes every day more absurd and more unnecessary. It must be gotten rid of; it can be gotten rid of. A new social order is possible [...] there will be the means of life, of the enjoyment of life, and of the development and activity of all bodily and mental faculties, through the systematic use and further development of the enormous productive powers of society, which exists with us even now".

    I don't have more time today, so sorry if this post seems kind of disorganized, but those are my main thoughts. Looking forward to next week's thread.

    • TT17@lemmygrad.ml
      hexagon
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      1 year ago

      I think that was a great takeaway from the reading. It is fascinating to see how capitalism effects different classes under the same system. The writing you quoted at the end of the chapter was great! I agree with their assessment that capitalism is a self defeating ideology, and that the same forces that create/drive it, will inevitably lead to it's own demise. It MUST be gotten rid of, it CAN be gotten rid of!

  • albigu@lemmygrad.ml
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    edit-2
    1 year ago

    I may be speaking out of my ass here since I've never done a book club, but I don't think that going through short pamphlets such as this one piecemeal is very conducive to interesting discussion. In the particular case of this one, it is only a short preface right now that there isn't much to discuss, but on a broader scope it can get into an awkward spot where most discussion will rely on either the further chapters or other sources. I understand that plenty of users are new to Marxism, but I think this format might fit better for larger books, since I'm pretty sure one can read the whole Wage Labour in 1-2 hours at most, which is quite a bit, but not enough to split it over what looks like will be 5 weeks.

    Maybe we could have the "Thursday" thing be only for the name but make it a weeklong thing? I don't even know what to say about the first two parts other than "They go in further depth later on." I guess I could make a point that I don't remember them making there, that inflation without increase in wages is often just the reallocation and expansion of the surplus value to better benefit the bourgeoisie.

    • TT17@lemmygrad.ml
      hexagon
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      1 year ago

      Edit: I summarized my points and put them in a FAQ section for my future posts. This question has come up many times before so I'll address it that way going forward.